Individual wrote:Virgo wrote:Individual wrote:I understand that. However: If he is not reborn after death, why is he reborn when he breathes in and then breathes out?
He has gone beyond. There is only rupa (materiallity) of the body arising and passing away based on vipaka, and consciousness (ableit purified consciousness) arising naturally at the sense bases because the sense bases are in tact due to the body being in tact.
What does it mean to say "he is not reborn"? As I understand it, it means no more name and form. Is that correct?
Therefore, how can you say he is not reborn in this life if there is still name and form? And if there is still name and form in this life, how do these things cease at death when they have not already ceased in life?
The definition I use of nama and rupa is mentallity and materiallity.
While an Arahant is still alive both mentallity and materiallity still arise. The rupa that make up the body arise and cease continually because the life force has not run out. Wisdom which attains nibbana is not a cause for making life force run out. When the heart stops beating it has run out, not before. This is true for any people. During the lifetime of an Arahant not only does the body still remain but the sense bases do too. The sense bases are the bases for consciousness. Because of this, there is still consciousness and thinking. The fetters have been removed though never to return. So there is no more delusion at all. It is known that nothing is mine or me by the Arahant. There is not attachment or aversion and there is no conceit. There is simply purified consciousness that still experiences seeing, hearing, smelling, and so on but regards not of it as self or as anything to be attached to, but simply as arising phenomena. With the fetters cut, at death (when the life force runs out) there are no causes for birth. This being so, no rupa will arise on any plane of existence. Neither will any consciousness arise on any plane of existence. Seeing consciousness will not arise because of lack of the seeing sense base (eye), hearing consciousness will not arise due to lack of the hearing sense base (ear), smelling consciousness will not arise due to lack of the smelling sense base (nose), tasting consciousness will not arise due to lack of the tasting sense base (rupa of the tongue), feeling consciousness will not arise due to lack of feeling consciousness sense base (rupa which are spread all throughout the body), and mental consciousness will not arise due to lack of mental consciousness mind base. All arising and falling conditioned phenomena that arise due to the entaglement of the fetters cease to arise at that point.
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