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Re: Do arahants discard vipaka/suffering?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:01 am

Greetings,

Just a thought I had that may or may not be relevant and I'm happy to take the guidance of others here....

Outside of the strict Mahavihara/Abhidhammist interpretation of "fruit" following immediately from "path", there is an acceptance of the possibility of one having attained to the path, without having yet attained the fruit (consider the difference between a lesser stream-entrant vs stream winner for example). In fact, there is a notion in the Pali tradition of an "eightfold noble assembly" consisting of the four ariya statuses, separated by path and fruit.

In light of that, is there the possibility that attaining the "path" of arahantship, is that which severs the fetters and is "nibbana with fuel remaining" and that the "fruit" is what is referred to as "release" and consists of "nibbana without remainder"? If true, this might help unravel the mystery in the Angulimala Sutta about him achieving arahatship before the infamous clod-throwing incident but obtaining 'release' afterwards.

(There is a useful definition somewhere in the Udana, I believe, on the difference between fuel/no-fuel... but can't seem to find it just now)

Thoughts? I'm more than happy to have it shot down if it's clearly false.

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Re: Do arahants discard vipaka/suffering?

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Do non-Arahants ever discard suffering?
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Do arahants discard vipaka/suffering?

Postby cooran » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:19 am

Hello all,

For those of us non-Pali wallahs:
601 to 603
http://www.tipitaka.net/pali/grammar/chpt14.htm

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Re: Do arahants discard vipaka/suffering?

Postby cooran » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:39 am

Hello tilt,

And the significance to you of the word 'wallah' is ......?

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Postby cooran » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:43 am

Especially for Tilt :console:

Definition of WALLAH
: a person who is associated with a particular work or who performs a specific duty or service —usually used in combination <the book wallah was an itinerant peddler — George Orwell>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wallah

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Re: Do arahants discard vipaka/suffering?

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Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Re: Do arahants discard vipaka/suffering?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:04 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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