tiltbillings wrote:No, I did not. The arahant remembers things? The arahant speaks? The arahant walks, talks? All of these things things are interdependently arising and falling.
Only if one ignorantly reifies them as "things" (sankhata dhamma) in the first place which might, once objectified, be observed to "rise" and "fall". A moot point really, since an arahant would not falsely reify dhammas.
tiltbillings wrote:I am thinking that is because you are assuming that conditioned co-production is the ignorance formula or some such rather than an underlying principle of how the "world" works
If by "world" you mean the conventional "world", then yes, that is my position. The extension of dependent origination beyond the application of conditioned experience is a Mahayana doctrine. If you reduce dependent origination to mere "cause and effect" it's hardly "Deep is this dependent co-arising, and deep its appearance. It's because of not understanding and not penetrating this Dhamma that this generation is like a tangled skein, a knotted ball of string, like matted rushes and reeds, and does not go beyond transmigration, beyond the planes of deprivation, woe, and bad destinations."
tiltbillings wrote:...and where the truth and liberation are found.
Where truth and liberation is found is in the Buddha's teachings and the Buddha never taught of a dependent origination not conditioned by ignorance.
SN 56.11 wrote:At one time the Blessed One was staying at Kosambii in Si.msapaa Grove. Then the Blessed One, taking a few Si.msapaa leaves in his hand, said to the monks: "What do you think, monks? Which are the more numerous, the few leaves I have here in my hand, or those up in the trees of the grove?"
"Lord, the Blessed One is holding only a few leaves: those up in the trees are far more numerous."
"In the same way, monks, there are many more things that I have found out, but not revealed to you. What I have revealed to you is only a little. And why, monks, have I not revealed it?
"Because, monks, it is not related to the goal, it is not fundamental to the holy life, does not conduce to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, tranquillity, higher knowledge, enlightenment or Nibbaana. That is why I have not revealed it. And what, monks, have I revealed?
"What I have revealed is: 'This is Suffering, this is the Arising of Suffering, this is the Cessation of Suffering, and this is the Path that leads to the Cessation of Suffering.' And why, monks, have I revealed it?
"Because this is related to the goal, fundamental to the holy life, conduces to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, tranquillity, higher knowledge, enlightenment and Nibbaana, therefore I have revealed it.
"Therefore, monks, your task is to learn: 'This is Suffering, this is the Arising of Suffering, this is the Cessation of Suffering, this is the Path that leads to the Cessation of Suffering.' That is your task."