Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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probably not since that is mahyana stuff, modern vipassana would be grounded in Theravada.
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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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alan wrote:Maybe it was stuff like this that Wallace was criticizing?http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-Without- ... 799&sr=1-2
Alan, right in the beginning of Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi's response to Wallace - [see link below] - he mentions appreciating Wallace's position and thanks Wallace for a tape he had made saying that he would play the side where Wallace criticized Batchelor's view, when he met a monk who would lean toward Batchelor's view.

http://shamatha.org/sites/default/files ... ndence.pdf
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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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Journey wrote:
alan wrote:Maybe it was stuff like this that Wallace was criticizing?http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-Without- ... 799&sr=1-2
Alan, right in the beginning of Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi's response to Wallace - [see link below] - he mentions appreciating Wallace's position and thanks Wallace for a tape he had made saying that he would play the side where Wallace criticized Batchelor's view, when he met a monk who would lean toward Batchelor's view.

http://shamatha.org/sites/default/files ... ndence.pdf
I am not sure the point of this comment, but Wallace in this exchange does not acquit himself very well. On page 15-17 Ven Bodhi responds at length to Wallace's question about the wholesome aspect of bare attention, which Wallace, as if he had not read it at all (or anything else Ven Bodhi said in the lead up to this), then goes on with the silly Green Beret/sniper business again to which Ven Bodhi responds: I believe I already covered the qualms expressed in “AW 4” with the following words in “BB 4”: and then Ven Bodhi repeats part of his answer already given and expands even further on his point. Wallace does not even acknowledge that he missed what Ven Bodhi point's is, much less correct his point of view. So much for Wallace.
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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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Journey wrote:
alan wrote:Maybe it was stuff like this that Wallace was criticizing?http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-Without- ... 799&sr=1-2
Alan, right in the beginning of Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi's response to Wallace - [see link below] - he mentions appreciating Wallace's position and thanks Wallace for a tape he had made saying that he would play the side where Wallace criticized Batchelor's view, when he met a monk who would lean toward Batchelor's view.

http://shamatha.org/sites/default/files ... ndence.pdf


The view he is referring to is Bachelor's view that monasticism would play only a marginal role in western Buddhism..
A view incidentally that is shared by more than a few monks...
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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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bazzaman wrote:Please excuse my presumption for jumping in at this late stage with a possibly irrelevant reference. But Bhikkhu Bodhi's 1997 review of "Buddhism Without Beliefs" in the J.B.E. was one that I found very interesting.
In case anyone hasn't read it ... :
http://www.buddhistethics.org/5/batch1.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That was interesting Bazzaman. Thanks.
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Well he ( Bhikkhu Bodhi ) would say that wouldnt he ?
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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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tiltbillings wrote:
Journey wrote:
alan wrote:Maybe it was stuff like this that Wallace was criticizing?http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-Without- ... 799&sr=1-2
Alan, right in the beginning of Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi's response to Wallace - [see link below] - he mentions appreciating Wallace's position and thanks Wallace for a tape he had made saying that he would play the side where Wallace criticized Batchelor's view, when he met a monk who would lean toward Batchelor's view.

http://shamatha.org/sites/default/files ... ndence.pdf
I am not sure the point of this comment,
I was responding to alan, that was the point of my commenting. :thinking: uh hope that helps you?
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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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bazzaman wrote:Please excuse my presumption for jumping in at this late stage with a possibly irrelevant reference. But Bhikkhu Bodhi's 1997 review of "Buddhism Without Beliefs" in the J.B.E. was one that I found very interesting.
In case anyone hasn't read it ... :
http://www.buddhistethics.org/5/batch1.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks, Bazzman.
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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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But Bhikkhu Bodhi's 1997 review of "Buddhism Without Beliefs" in the J.B.E. was one that I found very interesting.
Discussion of this would be an interesting new thread. An on topic discussion here would be Wallace's missing or ignoring the point of Ven Bodhi's description of bare attention.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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