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Insight swallows itself up.tiltbillings wrote:Especially the view that we should not cling to views.chownah wrote:We should not cling to any view because all views are flawed.
{{{burp}}}chownah wrote:Insight swallows itself up.tiltbillings wrote:Especially the view that we should not cling to views.chownah wrote:We should not cling to any view because all views are flawed.
chownah
I did say the suttas "taken as a whole".daverupa wrote:Spiny O'Norman wrote:Taken as a whole I think the suttas support the view that the goal is both liberation from dukkha ( Nibbana ) and liberation from samsara ( Pari-nibbana ), and that these are 2 sides of the same coin rather than contradictory objectives.
SpinySN 56.11 wrote:"Now this, monks, is the noble truth of stress: Birth is stressful, aging is stressful, death is stressful; sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair are stressful; association with the unbeloved is stressful, separation from the loved is stressful, not getting what is wanted is stressful. In short, the five clinging-aggregates are stressful.
But "rebirth" is clearly implied.chownah wrote:I don't see the word "rebirth" anywhere here....reflection wrote:http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... 7.html#pt1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;25. "When, friends, a noble disciple understands birth, the origin of birth, the cessation of birth, and the way leading to the cessation of birth, in that way he is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma.
26. "And what is birth, what is the origin of birth, what is the cessation of birth, what is the way leading to the cessation of birth? The birth of beings into the various orders of beings, their coming to birth, precipitation [in a womb], generation, manifestation of the aggregates, obtaining the bases for contact — this is called birth. With the arising of being there is the arising of birth. With the cessation of being there is the cessation of birth. The way leading to the cessation of birth is just this Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view... right concentration.
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I guess so.....I'm wondering who did the terrible job of writing this sutta that something as important as rebirth would have to be implied.....why didn't they just say rebirth?.....why imply it?......can anyone come up with a reason why the writer would rely on an implication here and why they wouldn't just use the appropriate word?.....any reason at all?.....is the Pali word for "rebirth" really difficult to recite, remember, or transcribe?....I'm not really wanting to argue "rebirth" vs. not....I'm just wondering why the use of implication in a case where it seems at face value that no implication is necessary....But "rebirth" is clearly implied.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirth_(Buddhism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)There is no word corresponding exactly to the English terms "rebirth", "metempsychosis", "transmigration" or "reincarnation" in the traditional Buddhist languages of Pāli and Sanskrit: the entire process of change from one life to the next is called punarbhava (Sanskrit) or punabbhava (Pāli), literally "becoming again", or more briefly bhava, "becoming", while the state one is born into, the individual process of being born or coming into the world in any way, is referred to simply as "birth" (jāti). The entire universal process that gives rise to this is called saṃsāra.
You can view the "birth" nidana either as a one-off "example" of birth arising from the process of being / becoming, or you can view it as a process of repeated births which represent the process of being / becoming. The affect is actually the same.chownah wrote:I guess so.....I'm wondering who did the terrible job of writing this sutta that something as important as rebirth would have to be implied.....why didn't they just say rebirth?.....why imply it?......can anyone come up with a reason why the writer would rely on an implication here and why they wouldn't just use the appropriate word?.....any reason at all?.....But "rebirth" is clearly implied.
And yet this thread keeps taking rebirth doesn't it?daverupa wrote:But paticcasamuppada never contains a thirteenth nidana, "birth --> death --> rebirth".
If you understand the nidanas as processes rather than events, this isn't a problem.daverupa wrote:But paticcasamuppada never contains a thirteenth nidana, "birth --> death --> rebirth". Isn't that interesting?
It will until we all see things as they really are...bodom wrote:And yet this thread keeps taking rebirth doesn't it?daverupa wrote:But paticcasamuppada never contains a thirteenth nidana, "birth --> death --> rebirth".
Also I don't fully agree with the second one.As Santa100 has correctly said, the reason for computer's (and Artificial Intelligence) existence is because it was made by programmer who has a mind. So it actually strengthens my argument.reflection wrote:I think the first premise is wrong. Computers can also make true/false statements. In fact, it's the only thing they can do.
