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Location of the Mind?

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Location of the Mind?

Postby Babadhari » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:33 pm

Last edited by Babadhari on Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby boris » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:24 pm

The man who wants to avoid grotesque collapses should not look for anything to fulfill him in space and time.

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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby Mkoll » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:28 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Postby Babadhari » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:07 pm

thanks Mike

i'd found reference to it in 'Four Elements' by Pa-Auk Sayadaw' also so i guess its taught in the Burmese schools following the teachings of the Abidhamma and Vishuddimagga.
Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby boris » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:44 pm

The man who wants to avoid grotesque collapses should not look for anything to fulfill him in space and time.

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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby Mkoll » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:06 pm

Very good, thanks boris.

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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby SarathW » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:18 pm

98. Hadayavatthu—heart-base.
According to the commentators hadayavatthu is the seat of
consciousness. Tradition says that within the cavity of the
heart there is some blood, and depending on which lies the
seat of consciousness. It was this cardiac theory that prevailed
in the Buddha’s time, and this was evidently supported
by the Upanishads.
The Buddha could have adopted this popular theory,
but He did not commit Himself.
Mr. Aung in his Compendium argues that the Buddha
was silent on this point. He did not positively assert that
the seat of consciousness was either in the heart or in the
brain. In the Dhammasaïganã the term hadayavatthu has
purposely been omitted. In the Paññhàna, instead of using
hadaya as the seat of consciousness, the Buddha has simply
stated ‘yaü råpaü nissàya’—depending on that ‘råpa’.
Mr. Aung’s opinion is that the Buddha did not want to
reject the popular theory. Nor did He advance a new theory
that brain is the seat of consciousness as is regarded by
modern scientists.

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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby Ben » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:02 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Location of the Mind?

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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby Ben » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:19 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby Ben » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:45 am

Sutta metta,
I am not interested in your unsupported opinions.
If you cannot support your contentions with evidence, then please refrain from presenting it as doctrine.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby SarathW » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:07 pm

Eureka!

Very important teaching, came across for the first time. I was looking for this explanation for some time.

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Suppose the sixth dyad were to be made. There is
Rūpa which is the base for mind-consciousness, Mano-viññāṇa.
There is Rūpa which is not the base for mind-consciousness.
Can you point them out? There is Rūpa which is the base for
mind-consciousness, we can say it is Hadaya. What Rūpa is
not the base for mind-consciousness? That would be the other
bases.

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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby pulga » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:18 am

The mind is that in the world by which we are perceivers and conceivers of the world. It is "here" as opposed to "there": an inner base of the lived body that always finds itself in relation to external ideas, an aspect of contact (phassa) that constitutes a part of the duality of the sixth of the saḷāyatana being the resort (paṭisaraṇa) of the other five. Sometimes one comes across the notion that ideas are in the mind, but this is muddled when it comes to the Buddha's Teaching -- comparable to the notion that visible objects are inside the eye.

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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby Pondera » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:00 pm

The unbinding of the heart is as important, if not more important, than the unbinding of the brain.

I don't believe it's merely a use of figurative speech when the phrase "heart's release" comes up over and over again in various suttas. There is also an instance of translators opting to use the less poetic word "mind" in the place of heart.

To wit:

"He reaches up to such rapture of heart, that, rapt in heart, he recollects one, two, three ... etc. ... past existences ..."

Vs. the translation.

"With his mind thus purified, steadied, ... Etc. ... He directs and inclines his mind towards the knowledge of past existences..."

That isn't verbatim - but I can supply links if requested. My point is: what if the use of "heart" is very specific? The newer translations - possibly not knowing that the heart is directly involved in past life recollection - pass over "heart" with "mind". What is the justification for that?

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Re: Location of the Mind?

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:51 pm

I also have the impression is that Pali citta doesn't distinguish between the "heart" (emotional) and "mind" (thinking) aspects in the same way as English. The same goes for many modern Asian languages (e.g. the word jai in Thai). Some people talk use the term "heart-mind" to indicate this.

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