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spiritual pride

Postby befriend » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:23 pm

how do we work with pride that comes from our meditation? ive practiced single pointed concentration or metta, and afterwards I feel like a god almost or very powerful wholesome energy. this brings up strong conceit. is this just me, or does this happen to other people? if so is bowing or contemplating nonself an antidote to this pride? maybe just trying to let go of it when it arises would work?
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Re: spiritual pride

Postby Feathers » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:05 pm

Assuming you're a westerner with the stereotypical guilt-background (that's not just me right?), I'd say don't be TOO hard on yourself. It's ok to feel good about meditating :D

Personally, I bow to the view out my window to signify bowing to the world in general/everyone I may meet that day.
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Re: spiritual pride

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Re: spiritual pride

Postby Mkoll » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:01 pm

Dear befriend,

Pay reverence to the Triple Gem. Bow your head down to the floor. Understand that the Buddha and his Noble Disciples are worthy of reverence and respect. Do some form of this before and after meditation.

Your pride may resist this at first and it may feel awkward or ungenuine (it did for me) but I assure you it gets better if you keep it up.

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Re: spiritual pride

Postby befriend » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:33 pm

thank you Mkoll for the advice.
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Re: spiritual pride

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Re: spiritual pride

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Re: spiritual pride

Postby Mkoll » Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:35 pm

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Thanks, binocular.

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Re: spiritual pride

Postby Goofaholix » Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:26 pm

The pride that you can see you can observe, gradually understand, and let go of, so it's good you are aware of what you're aware of.

It's the pride that you can't see that you've really got to worry about, that's why jhana practice comes with a warning.

I guess you have to be vigilent, always looking for subtle signs of pride, observe how it arises, use it for insight.

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Re: spiritual pride

Postby m0rl0ck » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:15 am

This has been a problem for me on and off my entire meditation career and i dont know if i am ever entirely free of it. For one thing you actually do become different from long term meditation. For instance, you see people behaving reactively about this or that thing or circumstance and realize that you dont do that behavior much anymore. I have also experienced episodic states of bliss or deep calm or had this or that realization.

One of the nice things about being prideful about these sorts of things, viewing them as some sort of badge of progress or personal accomplishment, in my case anyway, is that i tend to grasp at whatever state or experience i had and for me grasping seems to shorten their life and puts you back on track, pride in this sort of thing is almost its own antidote. Grasping will ruin it. You are just setting yourself up for dissapointment.

It also helps to have a spiritual friend or teacher you respect who isnt afraid to pull the rug out from under you when the need arises. :) I learned early on that if im feeling special and tell my teacher about it he is pretty good about knocking me back on my ass (figuratively speaking) and showing me where my cushion is and telling me "just do your practice".

What did the buddha say that he gained from enlightenment? Maybe nobody is special, maybe you are nobody till your nobody special :)

Disclaimer: I am not a theravadan buddhist i do a chan practice that could best be described in theravadan terms as citta-sati. But as ajahn dune said, all methods end in the same place.
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Re: spiritual pride

Postby m0rl0ck » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:18 am

“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: spiritual pride

Postby manas » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:57 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: spiritual pride

Postby Weakfocus » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:10 am

There is nothing wrong with feeling a certain amount of pride and self-satisfaction. Reflecting on one's truthful achievements helps go through difficult phases, it helps to fight off negative emotions and gives hope when one is in the troughs.

One should not let pride grow uncontrollably and turn into conceit, however.

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Re: spiritual pride

Postby fig tree » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:44 am

Remembering to think of the path as a gift that has been handed down to you (like in a bucket brigade) seems to help.

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Re: spiritual pride

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Re: spiritual pride

Postby befriend » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:54 pm

In my first post I did say I was doing one pointed concentration and times of practicing metta, the one pointed concentration was observing the breath at the upper lip, this led to access concentration and my mind involuntarily puffed this up into thinking, "look at me, my mind is more fine than a deva or whatever grandiose notion"
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