Body in the Body...

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Body in the Body...

Postby Kingdubrock » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:54 pm

How do you understand this?
If you compare just a few commentaries on the Satipatthana you find different things.
Bhante Gunaratana seems to claim that the individual parts that comprise the body can each be seen as "a body". So to be mindful of some aspect or part of the body is being mindful of the body (or maybe A body) in the (larger) body. (This may be supportable with suttas and comentaries etc but it kind of sounds like reaching to me).
U Silananda in the book The Four Foundations of Mindfulness just leaves it alone, and doesnt elaborate (sort of what I do in my own practice).
Thich Nhat Hanh on the other hand in Transformation and Healing just goes right ahead and says mindfulness of the body in the body means that the subject and object become "one". There is no separation between the mindfulness and the object of mindfulness, they come together (in, I assume, his "inter-are" kind of way).

Hmm.

Edit: Just to thicken the plot, Analayo actually omits "in the body" in his translation and fine book on the Satipatthana
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Re: Body in the Body...

Postby equilibrium » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:07 pm

Is that not the same as:
For everything that exist it must depend on something else.....except Nibbana.

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Postby kirk5a » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:57 pm

In my opinion that language is a way of communicating what is explained in MN 1, which points out the difference between "perceiving [x] as [x]", resulting in "conceiving" regarding that. While the goal is "directly knowing" in order to "fully understand it"
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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