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Postby Spiny Norman » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:06 pm

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Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:37 am

To answer my original question, yes, I'm sure there is a real world out there. I'm also convinced that "The All" is basically just a strategy for practice, and is in no way intended as an ontological statement.
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Postby acinteyyo » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:09 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Postby kirk5a » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:15 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Is there a real world out there?...

Postby acinteyyo » Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:20 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Is there a real world out there?...

Postby chownah » Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:06 am

Spiny Norman:
Are sense objects objectively real? Do they continue to exist while we're not perceiving them? Philosophically I think "real" would equate to realism.
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There is absolutely no way to know.
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Sure there is. Just reject the skeptic's warped view of knowledge.
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kirk5a,
Let's discuss light as being the sense object associated with the eye. A photon (particle) of light which acts as a sense object enters the eye and interacts with the sensitive part of the eye and along with eye consciousness produces contact. It seems that you are saying that the photon continues to exist after the perception it took part in has ceased....but what is happening from a worldly view is that the photon has been absorbed by an electron causing the electron's energy level to increase and the photon just disappears and no longer exists....in other words the photon of light actually ceases to exist after it is perceived.....seems to disagree with your view.
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Re: Is there a real world out there?...

Postby chownah » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:42 am

How much more existential can one ask of the Buddha?

Well, I would say that if he had said that there is an external real world which is the base for our internal experiential world then I think that would go along way to convince me. If the Buddha would either retract his Loka sutras and The All Sutta that would help too......or if he added some clarification in the Loka suttas and The All Sutta to the effect that he was not talking about the real world but just the experiential world that would help too.

Sometimes I think the Buddha left things ambiguous for a reason.....or was he just a poor communicator...or did he really not understand how his teachings would cause such a wide variety of views to arise? Seems like clarification would not have been difficult but who am I to say?
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Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Is there a real world out there?...

Postby kirk5a » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:55 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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