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Can mind exist without matter?

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Postby SarathW » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:17 pm

Thanks all:
- What is the Pali term for stations of consciousness and two spheres?
- What is the diffrence between stations of consciousness and two spheres?
- Can some one reply to the following OP as well:
- viewtopic.php?f=13&t=16160
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From the Pali source ( http://suttacentral.net/dn15/pi ):
Stations of consciousness: Viññāṇaṭṭhiti. Ven Buddhadatta rendered as "stages of sentient beings" (Concise Pali-English Dictionary http://www.budsas.org/ebud/dict-pe/dictpe-24-v.htm )
Two spheres (Ven. Bodhi renders "two bases"): dve āyatana
Their difference was described in DN 15 ( http://suttacentral.net/dn15/en )
Regarding the other OP, the previous sentences in the same paragraph page 389 should explain it: "With regard to the difference between space and Nibbāna, it may briefly be said that space is not[it is nothing], but Nibbāna is[it is spaceless and timeless]." A numerical analogy: an apple in the basket represents the number 1 (1 apple). No apple in the basket represents the number 0 (0 apple). While "space" can be represented with 0 to indicate there is not (no apple), but "Nibbana" cannot because it is something other than 1 and 0. Also refer to the simile of the Turtle and the Fish pages 387-388 ( http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdf )

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Postby SarathW » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:56 am

Thanks Santa

Neither perception nor non-perception is a realm.
Why, the base of neither perception nor non-perception not considered as a station of consciousness?
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Re: Can mind exist without matter?

Postby SarathW » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:16 am

The matter raised in OP is discussed here in Point of Controversy.


P220

Of Matter in Arupa-Sphere. Controverted, Point.—
That there is matter among the Immaterial.


From the Commentary.—Some (as, for instance, the Andhakas), judging by the Word—' Because of consciousness there comes mind and bodyn—imagined that, even in the Arupa-sphere of existence, there was a subtle, refined matter segregated from grosser matter.


http://lirs.ru/do/Points_of_Controversy_(Kathavatthu),Aung,Davids,1915.pdf
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