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hello.fellow.members
in.a.transcribed.Dhamma.talk
i.was.reading.something.like.this:
the.Buddha.said.that.there.are.these
four.types.of.action
1.hard.to.do.with.painful.result
2.easy.to.do.with.pleasant.result
3.hard.to.do.with.pleasant.result
4.easy.to.do.with.painful.result
i.read.that.the.first.two.present.no.challenge
but,that.this.is.a.challenge:
to.abstain.from.what.is.pleasant.now,but.leads.to.stress.later.on
to.practice.what.is.difficult.now,but.leads.to.ease.later.on.

if.anyone.knows.of.the.sutta.reference(s).for.this
could.they.kindly.let.me.know
thanks

Hello manas,

This is a long sutta, I don't think it is the one you are searching for, but which touches on the topic:

MN 136
Maha Kammavibhanga Sutta: The Greater Analysis of Action
[....................]
"In the case of the person who abstains from taking life... & holds right view [yet] with the breakup of the body, after death, reappears in a plane of deprivation, a bad destination, a lower realm, hell: Either earlier he performed evil action that is to be felt as painful, or later he performed evil action that is to be felt as painful, or at the time of death he adopted & carried out wrong view. Because of that, with the breakup of the body, after death, he reappears in a plane of deprivation, a bad destination, a lower realm, hell. But as for the results of abstaining from taking life... holding right view, he will feel them either right here & now, or in the next [lifetime], or following that.

"Thus, Ānanda, there is action that is ineffectual and apparently ineffectual. There is action that is ineffectual but apparently effectual. There is action that is both effectual and apparently effectual. There is action that is effectual but apparently ineffectual."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

with metta
Chris

cooran wrote:Hello manas,

This is a long sutta, I don't think it is the one you are searching for, but which touches on the topic:

MN 136
Maha Kammavibhanga Sutta: The Greater Analysis of Action
[....................]
"In the case of the person who abstains from taking life... & holds right view [yet] with the breakup of the body, after death, reappears in a plane of deprivation, a bad destination, a lower realm, hell: Either earlier he performed evil action that is to be felt as painful, or later he performed evil action that is to be felt as painful, or at the time of death he adopted & carried out wrong view. Because of that, with the breakup of the body, after death, he reappears in a plane of deprivation, a bad destination, a lower realm, hell. But as for the results of abstaining from taking life... holding right view, he will feel them either right here & now, or in the next [lifetime], or following that.

"Thus, Ānanda, there is action that is ineffectual and apparently ineffectual. There is action that is ineffectual but apparently effectual. There is action that is both effectual and apparently effectual. There is action that is effectual but apparently ineffectual."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

with metta
Chris

Thanks.Chris
thats.an.interesting.sutta
about.kamma.and.kamma.vipaka
and.the.constant.risks.and.dangers
for.a.worldling.in.Samsara
(hope.im.not.one!)

metta

This? & this?

plwk wrote:This? & this?

Thank.you,plwk,much.appreciated!
that.first.one.seems.to.be.the.one
i.had.heard.referred.to.

a.little.aside:reading.it.i.am.glad
i.never.really.got.into.pure.fruitarianism
or.other.extreme.diets.where.one.starves
oneself!the.middle.way.is.better!

metta

plwk wrote:This? & this?

Thank.you,plwk,much.appreciated!
that.first.one.seems.to.be.the.one
i.had.heard.referred.to.

a.little.aside:reading.it.i.am.glad
i.never.really.got.into.pure.fruitarianism
or.other.extreme.diets.where.one.starves
oneself!the.middle.way.is.better!

metta