Are four stages of sainthood one in meaning?

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SarathW
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Are four stages of sainthood one in meaning?

Postby SarathW » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:51 am

I am reading Mahavedalla Sutta, Which says:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
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"The limitless awareness-release, the nothingness awareness-release, the emptiness awareness-release, the theme-less-awareness-release: T
here is a way of explanation by which these qualities are different in meaning & different in name, and there is a way of explanation by which these qualities are one in meaning and different only in name.

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My question:

Can we apply the same to four stages of sainthood?

That is:
Are four stages of sainthood one in meaning and different only in name?
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Re: Are four stages of sainthood one in meaning?

Postby PadmaPhala » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:17 am

no.

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Re: Are four stages of sainthood one in meaning?

Postby cooran » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:23 am

Hello SarathW,

At this link you will find in the two left hand columns the fetters and latent defilements remaining at each level of attainment. As will be seen, they are different:

http://www.thisismyanmar.com/nibbana/ariyas4.htm

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Re: Are four stages of sainthood one in meaning?

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:43 am

SarathW wrote:I am reading Mahavedalla Sutta, Which says:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
---------------------------------
"The limitless awareness-release, the nothingness awareness-release, the emptiness awareness-release, the theme-less-awareness-release: T
here is a way of explanation by which these qualities are different in meaning & different in name, and there is a way of explanation by which these qualities are one in meaning and different only in name.

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My question:

Can we apply the same to four stages of sainthood?

That is:
Are four stages of sainthood one in meaning and different only in name?


there are different types of release found within the canon, and they simply describe a form of release of mind that could be temporary or permanent, be it full enlightenment, at a certain stage on the path, or through Jhana.... they are not necessarily pseudonyms for anything else although that depending on context.
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(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
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