Are the Four Noble Truths fabricated?

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SarathW
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Are the Four Noble Truths fabricated?

Postby SarathW » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:43 am

There is a question and answer in Cula-vedalla sutta as follows:

"Is the noble eightfold path fabricated or un-fabricated?"
"The noble eightfold path is fabricated."

http://buddhasutra.com/files/cula_vedalla_sutta.htm
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My questions are:
Are the Four Noble Truths fabricated?
If yes why?
Is it a verbal fabrication?
What is the Pali word for fabrication?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

santa100
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Re: Are the Four Noble Truths fabricated?

Postby santa100 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:06 am

Perhaps Ven. Bodhi's tranlation is a bit clearer:
Lady, is the Noble Eightfold Path conditioned or unconditioned?”
“Friend Visākha, the Noble Eightfold Path is conditioned


And Ven. Pesala's explanation from a previous thread:

http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 48#p184132

SarathW
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Re: Are the Four Noble Truths fabricated?

Postby SarathW » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:03 am

Hi Santa
Thanks. Based on this can I say that whole Buddha Dhamma (Four Noble Truths) is conditioned.
or
Am I going too far and that I am asking a wrong question?
:)
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Are the Four Noble Truths fabricated?

Postby reflection » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:04 am

Well, the third noble truth is nibbana. Nibbana surely is not conditioned. But you could say the third noble truth in itself is conditioned, because the Buddha spoke it. Or you could say it's neither, because how can you condition a truth? It's a matter of words. What are you going to do with it if you would find the answer?


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