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How to become a dhamma or faith follower?

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How to become a dhamma or faith follower?

Postby polarbear101 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:43 am

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: How to become a dhamma or faith follower?

Postby Mr Man » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:12 am

My opinion is that teachings like that do not need need to be overly analysed. It will just lead to the world of paradox. I would take it as an encouragement.

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Re: How to become a dhamma or faith follower?

Postby Zom » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:26 am

Btw, interesting to note, that Buddha usually confirmed "attainment" of this or that man/woman when he/she died. There are several suttas on this account. I think the reason is in the "pairs" (those who are on the path and who's got the fruit). Both, for example, are stream-enterers (as a pair), while some of them have all 10 fetters, while others - only 7. After death all of them for sure will have only 7.

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Re: How to become a dhamma or faith follower?

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Re: How to become a dhamma or faith follower?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:58 am

Perhaps a Dhamma follower is one who has practised meditation to attain the stage of while a Faith Follower is one who has sincerely taken refuge in the Buddha?
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Re: How to become a dhamma or faith follower?

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:17 pm

Hi PolarBuddha

They seem to have the five faculties suggesting they practice the dhamma quite well:

"And what is the individual who is a Dhamma-follower? There is the case where a certain individual does not remain touching with his body those peaceful liberations that transcend form, that are formless, nor — having seen with discernment — are his fermentations ended. But with a [sufficient] measure of reflection through discernment he has come to an agreement with the teachings proclaimed by the Tathagata. And he has these qualities: the faculty of conviction, the faculty of persistence, the faculty of mindfulness, the faculty of concentration, & the faculty of discernment. This is called an individual who is a Dhamma-follower.[9] Regarding this monk, I say that he has a task to do with heedfulness. Why is that? [I think:] 'Perhaps this venerable one, when making use of suitable resting places, associating with admirable friends, balancing his [mental] faculties, will reach & remain in the supreme goal of the holy life for which clansmen rightly go forth from home into homelessness, knowing & realizing it for himself in the here & now.' Envisioning this fruit of heedfulness for this monk, I say that he has a task to do with heedfulness.

"And what is the individual who is a conviction-follower? There is the case where a certain individual does not remain touching with his body those peaceful liberations that transcend form, that are formless, nor — having seen with discernment — are his fermentations ended. But he has a [sufficient] measure of conviction in & love for the Tathagata. And he has these qualities: the faculty of conviction, the faculty of persistence, the faculty of mindfulness, the faculty of concentration, & the faculty of discernment. This is called an individual who is a conviction-follower. Regarding this monk, I say that he has a task to do with heedfulness. Why is that? [I think:] 'Perhaps this venerable one, when making use of suitable resting places, associating with admirable friends, balancing his [mental] faculties, will reach & remain in the supreme goal of the holy life for which clansmen rightly go forth from home into homelessness, knowing & realizing it for himself in the here & now.' Envisioning this fruit of heedfulness for this monk, I say that he has a task to do with heedfulness.
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Re: How to become a dhamma or faith follower?

Postby kirk5a » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:38 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: How to become a dhamma or faith follower?

Postby Sylvester » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:30 am

Hi PB

Check out the Index to BB's AN translation. Under "fixed course (consisting in) rightness" (niyāmam… sammattaṃ), there are many suttas on how to enter this fixed course, leading one to transform into a Faith Follower or a Dhamma Follower. My favourite suttas for now!

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