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Ajahn Brahm for sale?
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>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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and what point is that?tiltbillings wrote:Actually, thank you, you have made my point, again.Cittasanto wrote: well I certainly wasn't saying anything remotely related to this and your opinion of levity, dourness, or clinging.you have accused two people with no ground. but heaven forbid anyone engage with the outside world or have an opinion about it.But: Oh, the inhumanity of it all. Naughty Ven B. Shame, shame, shame and more shame, scandlaizing us dour Buddhists with levity. Heavens to betsy, what are we to do? Maybe get over it, let it go, move on, tend to our own business, look within.
lets all find a hole and hide from any expectation of conduct and benefit we gain from our livelihood.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: Ajahn Brahm for sale?
Some of you all are just hilarious
I thought about this at work today and came to the conclusion that while i may enjoy the good humoured cheerfulness of his talks on occasion 7 days of unruffled, cheerful, equanimity would probably drive me up a wall. If i won id have to send him out on a lot of errands or something.
I bet he is like that first thing in the morning too.
EDIT: you think he can cook worth a darn? do windows maybe?
I thought about this at work today and came to the conclusion that while i may enjoy the good humoured cheerfulness of his talks on occasion 7 days of unruffled, cheerful, equanimity would probably drive me up a wall. If i won id have to send him out on a lot of errands or something.
I bet he is like that first thing in the morning too.
EDIT: you think he can cook worth a darn? do windows maybe?
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Hmmm. A trick question.Cittasanto wrote:
and what point is that?
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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Yeah, I like Ajahn Brahm but this is my first thought as well - I don't think I could handle a week of that. Part of me wonders how much fun it would be to set up an equanimity obstacle course and see what manner of annoyances he could endure before snapping and slapping me.m0rl0ck wrote:Some of you all are just hilarious
I thought about this at work today and came to the conclusion that while i may enjoy the good humoured cheerfulness of his talks on occasion 7 days of unruffled, cheerful, equanimity would probably drive me up a wall. If i won id have to send him out on a lot of errands or something.
I bet he is like that first thing in the morning too.
EDIT: you think he can cook worth a darn? do windows maybe?
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.
Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.
His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta
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censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.
Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.
His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta
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Re: Ajahn Brahm for sale?
LonesomeYogurt wrote: Yeah, I like Ajahn Brahm but this is my first thought as well - I don't think I could handle a week of that. Part of me wonders how much fun it would be to set up an equanimity obstacle course and see what manner of annoyances he could endure before snapping and slapping me.
I thot something similar, sending him to my job for a week to see if his equanimity gradually eroded.
Im pretty sure that monk baiting is probably heavy karma tho.
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A better use for this thread rather than the finger wagging is: What to do with a meditation master for a week.
I'd have my own prvt retreat and let him run the schedule.
I'd have my own prvt retreat and let him run the schedule.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: Ajahn Brahm for sale?
Cuould't you put it down?tiltbillings wrote:I have said as much, if not more than, I should have and my only response to all of this kerfuffle is:
There is a fair bit of finger wagging go on all around here.tiltbillings wrote: A better use for this thread rather than the finger wagging is:
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Too much fun finger wagging at the those who think monks should be dour.Mr Man wrote: Cuould't you put it down?
There is a fair bit of finger wagging go on all around here.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: Ajahn Brahm for sale?
I don't know if they have to be dour but they do have great symbolic significance (a manifestation of the tripple gem) and are part of a tradition.tiltbillings wrote:Too much fun finger wagging at the those who think monks should be dour.Mr Man wrote: Cuould't you put it down?
There is a fair bit of finger wagging go on all around here.
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Ok if you have no point or don't want to explain, buy!tiltbillings wrote:Hmmm. A trick question.Cittasanto wrote:
and what point is that?
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
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Unquestionably, but I wonder if they need to suffer under conformity to the symbolic significance, which seems to be what this thread is really about.Mr Man wrote:
I don't know if they have to be dour but they do have great symbolic significance (a manifestation of the tripple gem) and are part of a tradition.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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I'd take him Go-Kart riding.tiltbillings wrote:I'd have my own prvt retreat and let him run the schedule.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.
Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.
His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta
Stuff I write about things.
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.
Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.
His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta
Stuff I write about things.
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Greetings,
Metta,
Retro.
It's hardly "suffer[ing] under conformity" to not be auctioning one's self and the bhikkhu's saffron robes to the highest bidder.tiltbillings wrote:Unquestionably, but I wonder if they need to suffer under conformity to the symbolic significance, which seems to be what this thread is really about.Mr Man wrote:
I don't know if they have to be dour but they do have great symbolic significance (a manifestation of the tripple gem) and are part of a tradition.
Metta,
Retro.
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I would say its an indication of desperation. Apparently the nuns are not getting as much financial support as they need, or are their plans just too ambitious?Mr Man wrote:If I were to put a positive spin on it I would say that it meant more as a wake up call and to make it clear that more support is needed and this is how far the Ven. Ajahn will go rather than a serious new development in fund raising techniques.
Perhaps Ajahn Brahm should try to get some bookings for stand-up gigs instead of sit-down gigs?
The baseless accusations of dour-faced Buddhists disapproving of the Venerable Brahmavamso's silliness just shows that some are totally ignorant of the Vinaya and the Buddhist tradition.
If the nuns are serious about following the Bhikkhuni Vinaya, they should reject any funds received by inappropriate methods. If they want to live the holy life in full let them try to raise their own funds in ways that are appropriate for monastics — which basically means waiting for an offer of support to be made (although if one has no dwelling place it is allowable to drop a hint). Such limitations do not apply to lay supporters or devotees — they can appeal for funds, or organise food-fairs, etc., to raise funds even for a “multi-million dollar project.”
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