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Why Nama-Rupa classification defer in F.A and D.O

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Why Nama-Rupa classification defer in F.A and D.O

Postby SarathW » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:50 am

Why Nama-Rupa classification defer in Five Aggregate and Dependent Originaton (D.O)?

Nama as per five aggregate are Feeling, Perception, Mental formation and consciousness
Nama as per D.O are Feeling, perception, intention, contact, & attention

What is the reason for the above difference?
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Re: Why Nama-Rupa classification defer in F.A and D.O

Postby Sylvester » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:38 am

Hi

Could you point to a sutta definition of nāma that identifies it with feeling, perception, formations and consciousness? This classification is more of an Abhidhammic one, which might perhaps be useful for an Abhidhammic-method analysis.

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Re: Why Nama-Rupa classification defer in F.A and D.O

Postby SarathW » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:34 am

Hi Sylvester
Thanks. Only thing I know is Budddha taught Five Aggregates. I am not sure who divide that as Nama Rupa.
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Re: Why Nama-Rupa classification defer in F.A and D.O

Postby daverupa » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:31 am

Taking the five aggregates as the template, nama could only be sankhara, vedana, sanna.

nama + rupa <--> vinnana.

So then, sankhara in this sense would need to be attention, intention, & contact.

Are these sankhara?

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Re: Why Nama-Rupa classification defer in F.A and D.O

Postby SarathW » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:17 pm

Hi Deverupa
Please see attached for Abidhamma classification.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el322.html
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Re: Why Nama-Rupa classification defer in F.A and D.O

Postby SDC » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:37 am

Not exactly sure what you are asking.

Although nāma and rūpa appear together almost exclusively, when discussing the five khandhas only rūpa is used. Are you asking why nāma is not included?

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Re: Why Nama-Rupa classification defer in F.A and D.O

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Re: Why Nama-Rupa classification defer in F.A and D.O

Postby SarathW » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:25 am

Hi Ground
Thanks
It is a good analysis. There is only one consciousness. Nama Rupa are arising due to consciousness.
The consciousness arise due to Nama Rupa. They both are interdependent and no first course.
I think we should pay more attention to experience rather than the categories.
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