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What or who receives kamma's results?

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nrose619
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What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby nrose619 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:07 pm

If the "self" is an illusion what receives the results of kamma?

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby SDC » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:50 pm

Looking for a "what" is just the same as if you were to say that a self receives the results. Although you have removed the idea of self, the mind continues to force some concept to be the receiver. Why? Because logic says there is supposed to be an answer to that question.

The way I understand it, the results will come about in experience. Who's experience? What's experience? Going that extra step to look for that answer will only lead to confusion. There is experience and the results of kamma come about in that experience.

Just the way I see it. Hope this helps. :smile:

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby SarathW » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:46 am

Please read attahed: Chapter 18 to 21

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdf
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby nrose619 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:45 am

"A silver bird
flies over the autumn lake.
When it has passed,
the lake's surface does not try
to hold on to the image of the bird."

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby nrose619 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:51 am

"A silver bird
flies over the autumn lake.
When it has passed,
the lake's surface does not try
to hold on to the image of the bird."

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby nrose619 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:53 am

"A silver bird
flies over the autumn lake.
When it has passed,
the lake's surface does not try
to hold on to the image of the bird."

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby pulga » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:23 pm

The experience of the relationship between kamma and vipaka is founded upon and derived from phassa, a description of which itself is derived upon phassa (cf. MN18. ‘‘So vatāvuso, cakkhusmim sati rūpe sati cakkhuviññāne sati phassapaññattim paññāpessatīti – thānametam vijjati. .... So vatāvuso, cakkhusmim asati rūpe asati cakkhuviññāne asati phassapaññattim paññāpessatīti – netam thānam vijjati.") The first-person perspective is prior to and an aspect (i.e. a part) of any third-person description of phenomena. In its simpliest form it is merely the bodily presence of the phenomena, but once the mind -- the patisarana of the other faculties (cf. MN43) -- comes into play, consolidating what is bodily present into a single, particular lived moment, a proliferation of images -- most of which are in the background of experience and unattended to -- comes to determine (sankharoti) -- to define -- our present situation in all its complexity. But note that while our presence in samsara is contigent upon phassa, samsara itself is the result of our appropriating the first-person perspective: our presence in the world makes "sense", but it is derivative, a transcedency contigent upon what is more primitive. (We cannot experience a cube without looking at one of its sides.)

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:27 am

http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Books ... ebirth.pdf

Buddhadasa Bhikkhu's article "Anatta and Rebirth" might help explain some things.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby Bakmoon » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:02 am

The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby nrose619 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:49 pm

"A silver bird
flies over the autumn lake.
When it has passed,
the lake's surface does not try
to hold on to the image of the bird."

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby nrose619 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:56 pm

"A silver bird
flies over the autumn lake.
When it has passed,
the lake's surface does not try
to hold on to the image of the bird."

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby Bakmoon » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:10 pm

The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

Postby nrose619 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:17 pm

"A silver bird
flies over the autumn lake.
When it has passed,
the lake's surface does not try
to hold on to the image of the bird."

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Re: What or who receives kamma's results?

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