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The great thread on Sensual Craving

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The great thread on Sensual Craving

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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby reflection » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:05 pm

I'm really planning to do more about this, for I feel it is the main thing keeping me from progressing. But I have the feeling, that to really take on sensual craving, one should do it on all fronts. I don't think you can be totally without one sort of sensual craving while still having others. For example, If I enjoy some music, afterwards I'm also more sensitive to other types of sensual craving. What do you think?

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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby polarbear101 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:18 pm

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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby jackson » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:52 pm

Speaking from personal experience, I have found that following sensual desire is like putting a small hole in a dam; first a little satisfies, but little by little more is needed until one is swept away by the current of sensual desire, but it creeps up so slowly that it's hard to notice. I also have noticed recently that it can make one stupid, for one becomes fixated on satisfying craving and life loses a lot of it's depth and meaning and becomes about simple hedonism. I think this quote from the Sigalovada Sutta applies nicely;
10. "These are the six dangers inherent in habitual partying: You constantly seek, 'Where's the dancing? Where's the singing? Where's the music? Where are the stories? Where's the applause? Where's the drumming?'


It seems to me this could easily apply to many modern day pleasures as well, such as "Where's the video games" and "Where's the internet?"
Nice topic! :anjali:
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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby Aloka » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:27 pm

I have found that study and regular meditation over a period of time seems to have lessened any cravings I had and I feel a lot more relaxed in general.

In Ajahn Sumedho's booklet 'The Four Noble Truths', there's a section for the Second Noble Truth beginning with "Three Kinds of Desire" which is helpful.



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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby reflection » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:43 pm

Thank you all for your replies!

I also found that meditation certainly helps. Also in a retreat setting, there is much less sensual desire in me.
However, it seems to be mainly temporal. If I stop or lessen my meditation for a while (for whatever reason), sensual desire is right around the corner to kick back in.

I think mindfulness temporarily holds back the hindrance of sensual craving, but to really overcome it, other practices are needed as well. For example, meditation on the body parts, the loathsomeness of food (http://www.dhammacenter.org/meditation/ ... ss_of_food), and reflecting how sensual desire causes suffering.

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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby Zom » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:17 pm

Sense restraint is very important here.
Conemplation and remembrance of impurities of food and body is very important here.

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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby jackson » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:34 pm

An interesting thing I've noticed is that if mindfulness is strong then desire can just be desire, I can observe it and it passes away on its own. It's once desire becomes "my desire" that I feel the need to do something about it, either grasp or reject it, so I think the key to really coming to terms with craving is to not pick it up in the first place, not own it, and not make a thing out of it when it arises, and if we're not mindful enough and simple desire turns to craving, then we must use whatever methods we can to lessen the burning. This is easier said than done of course, for craving has a magnetic pull, but I think the sooner it's dealt with the easier it is to overcome. I've also found reflecting on the impurities of food to be a great help. Thinking about the fact that beings have suffered and died just so one could eat their meal is quite a beneficial and sobering thought, brings up gratitude as opposed to whining about the quality of the meal, and stops greed in it's tracks fairly well. Top that off with contemplating the texture of the food and picturing what it looks like being chewed as well as digested in the stomach and food turns from sensual indulgence into eating in order to sustain the body, which is a much more practical and realistic approach to nutriment.
Great replies so far! :smile:
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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

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What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby Sarva » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:25 am

“Both formerly & now, it is only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress.” — SN 22:86

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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby Bagoba » Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:18 pm

You may google "ask a monk pornography masturbation" regarding how to get rid of sensual addictions like these... A buddhist monk posted videos on youtube about this...
"This path is a thorough investigation and understanding of the limitations of the mortal condition of the body and mind. Now you're developing the ability to turn away from the conditioned and to release your identity from mortality." Ajan Sumedho, "Mindfulness, the path to the Deathless."

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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby Ron-The-Elder » Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:27 pm

What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby PTa » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:45 pm

Note to self: Sensual craving is craving for sensations, having sensations is existence, seeing it like it really is - all is burning - is the end of the taint of sensations, the end of the taint of existence, the end of the taint of ignorance, i.e. the end of suffering.
"No matter how much we may speak in line with what we understand to be right in accordance with the Dhamma, if the citta that is acting isn't right, how can we be right?"
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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

Postby PTa » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:17 pm

What is the all? Burning with what?
"No matter how much we may speak in line with what we understand to be right in accordance with the Dhamma, if the citta that is acting isn't right, how can we be right?"
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Re: The great thread on Sensual Craving

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What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.


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