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"Kuṭṭhi Sutta" Questions

Postby Tom » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:18 am

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .html#fnt-:
Then the Blessed One, having encompassed the awareness of the entire assembly with his awareness, asked himself, "Now who here is capable of understanding the Dhamma?" He saw Suppabuddha the leper sitting in the assembly, and on seeing him the thought occurred to him, "This person here is capable of understanding the Dhamma." So, aiming at Suppabuddha the leper, he gave a step-by-step talk, i.e., he proclaimed a talk on generosity, on virtue, on heaven; he declared the drawbacks, degradation, & corruption of sensuality, and the rewards of renunciation. Then when the Blessed One knew that Suppabuddha the leper's mind was ready, malleable, free from hindrances, elevated, & clear, he then gave the Dhamma-talk peculiar to Awakened Ones, i.e., stress, origination, cessation, & path. And just as a clean cloth, free of stains, would properly absorb a dye, in the same way, as Suppabuddha the leper was sitting in that very seat, the dustless, stainless Dhamma eye arose within him, "Whatever is subject to origination is all subject to cessation."

How does one attain a mind that is "ready, malleable, free from hindrances, elevated, & clear"?
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Re: "Kuṭṭhi Sutta" Questions

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:29 am

Progress through to the fourth Jhana.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta

Stuff I write about things.
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Re: "Kuṭṭhi Sutta" Questions

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:00 am

ccharles wrote:How does one attain a mind that is "ready, malleable, free from hindrances, elevated, & clear"?

By listening to a talk on generosity, on virtue, on heaven; on the drawbacks, degradation, and corruption of sensuality, and on the rewards of renunciation. ;)
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Re: "Kuṭṭhi Sutta" Questions

Postby Tom » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:49 am

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
ccharles wrote:How does one attain a mind that is "ready, malleable, free from hindrances, elevated, & clear"?

By listening to a talk on generosity, on virtue, on heaven; on the drawbacks, degradation, and corruption of sensuality, and on the rewards of renunciation. ;)


Are there any suttas that discuss the rewards of renunciation?
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Re: "Kuṭṭhi Sutta" Questions

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Re: "Kuṭṭhi Sutta" Questions

Postby Tom » Fri May 31, 2013 6:02 am

Are there any suttas where the process by which one attains a mind that is "elevated, & clear" is described?
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Re: "Kuṭṭhi Sutta" Questions

Postby BlackBird » Fri May 31, 2013 8:50 am

It just means his mind was made very clear and still by listening to the Buddha's Dhamma talk on the preliminaries. It gladdened him and suppressed the hindrances enough for him to gain personal knowledge of the Four Noble Truths when they were revealed to him.

As to your most recent question. You quoted one in your OP.
I think you're attempting to reify something that doesn't need to be given that much attention. Ask yourself, what's it like when your mind is clear? What's it like when you're distracted.

I've found that after a particularly good samatha session, my mind is very clear and concentrated and it's easier to direct my thought towards Dhamma analysis. It is possible to still one's mind simply by paying close attention to a dhamma talk that one finds gladdening. Throughout the Suttas we find the Buddha giving these preliminary talks, in order to gladden and rouse the minds of the Bhikkhus or whoever he's talking to, for the express purpose of giving them a deeper talk on the more fundamental aspects of Dhamma that they might not otherwise have understood if they were not prepared in mind.

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Re: "Kuṭṭhi Sutta" Questions

Postby IanAnd » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:07 am

BlackBird wrote:It just means his mind was made very clear and still by listening to the Buddha's Dhamma talk on the preliminaries. It gladdened him and suppressed the hindrances enough for him to gain personal knowledge of the Four Noble Truths when they were revealed to him.

I think you're attempting to reify something that doesn't need to be given that much attention. Ask yourself, what's it like when your mind is clear? What's it like when you're distracted.

I've found that after a particularly good samatha session, my mind is very clear and concentrated and it's easier to direct my thought towards Dhamma analysis. It is possible to still one's mind simply by paying close attention to a dhamma talk that one finds gladdening. Throughout the Suttas we find the Buddha giving these preliminary talks, in order to gladden and rouse the minds of the Bhikkhus or whoever he's talking to, for the express purpose of giving them a deeper talk on the more fundamental aspects of Dhamma that they might not otherwise have understood if they were not prepared in mind.

:goodpost: , Jack. Way to dispel the bs and mystical stuff and get right to the point!

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Re: "Kuṭṭhi Sutta" Questions

Postby Aloka » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:53 am

IanAnd wrote: :goodpost: , Jack. Way to dispel the bs and mystical stuff and get right to the point!



Absolutely :)
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