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Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

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Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby phil » Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:34 pm

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: massive earthquake and tsunamis hit japan

Postby Annapurna » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:50 pm

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Re: massive earthquake and tsunamis hit japan

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:15 pm

Just thought I'd say, for the record, I am pro-nuclear power.

There, balance has been restored.

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Re: massive earthquake and tsunamis hit japan

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Re: massive earthquake and tsunamis hit japan

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby octathlon » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:44 pm

How do you propose to handle the ?

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Re: massive earthquake and tsunamis hit japan

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Mawkish1983 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:55 am

Good point Kim, although I'm not sure I'd call 20% 'significant'

Aaaanyway, I've said what I wanted to say, so I'll stop.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby poto » Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:42 am

Glad to see I'm not the only person here who supports nuclear power.

Although, for the record I'm not a big fan of uranium. I'd much prefer to see us transition to a cleaner safer thorium fuel cycle.

I'm not worried about Japan's reactors. They are well designed and their people seem to have the situation under control. I don't think there is any real risk of losing containment at this point. If I am wrong and a worst-case comes true, the containment vessel that the reactor core is located in is designed to contain a complete core meltdown. This means there is no chance of a Chernobyl happening.

The venting of steam does not pose any significant large-scale radiation risks. It's good that they are able to vent the excess pressure and pump more water to the cores. Just being able to pump water means they are not going to lose containment and a full meltdown is no longer a risk. Really, I think a lot of people are allowing themselves to be subjected to media-induced panic over this.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:31 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Mawkish1983 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:54 pm

Wow! Thanks to your well structured and rational arguement I can see the error of my ways! You are right and I was wrong! What a fool I was!

(which is, of course, sarcasm).

I've said what position I take on the matter. I've given some reasons. I am a physicst, I studied nuclear physics in a lot of depth. I spent two years doing doctorate level research about corrosion protection inside nuclear reactor cores. From all of this experience and education I have come to the conclusion that nuclear power is far safer than using fossil fuels and has less of an environmental impact than certain renewable resources (such as hydro- and tidal-electricity). Ultimately, nuclear fusion is the technology we should be investing in. Alas, too much money has been invested in the oil companies.

These are my opinions. Scaremongering and name calling isn't the most effective way of convincing someone as arrogant as I :)

Edit: I actually have a plan for a way of generating electricity using the van Allen belts --- but it requires world peace first. As soon as we've abolished all greed in the world, I'll share the plans :)

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby christopher::: » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:13 pm

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:19 pm

Radioactive iodine is one of the ways radiation gets into people's bodies. By taking iodine or kelp tablets ( high in iodine ) their body fills up on iodine, blocking new iodine from getting in.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:50 pm

I talk with a lot of people who are pronuclear. They tend to work in technical fields and know a little bit more about engineering side of it. What they often don't look at it is the human side of things.

If people as conscientious and disciplined as the Japanese can build a nuclear power plant in an earthquake and tsunami zone where does that leave Americans?

We constantly have corporations selling out the welfare of people to cut costs. The BP/Gulf tragedy is an example of that. If more nuclear power plants are built then there will be more chances for the unscrupulous cutting of corners, unforeseen design flaws, mistakes, incompetence or sabotage.

Multiply all of those things for the situation of nuclear waste, which has a half life of thousands of years. That means many opportunities for unforeseen problems in keeping the waste contained just from natural forces alone. Then there is cutting corners, illegal dumping, terrorism, etc etc.

I think more nuclear power plants will have to be built as an interim energy source and I think its use should stay there.

There are so many promising energy technologies that have come so far, with so little support. I bet if research into alternative energy was funded nearly as well as nuclear technology or oil exploration we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.


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