Rubio

[Anicca]

The US democracy is a work in progress.

It took a lot of time for the principles of liberty to really be established in the population.

Surely you two aren't agreeing!

the principles of liberty to really be established in the population

Tell that to the Muslims and mexicans.

metta

Edit: I meant American Muslims and Mexican-Americans

[octathlon]

Note: I am not for this mandate that all citizens enrich the private insurance companies in the absence of a public option, or perhaps a single-payer system is preferable. However it should be noted:

"
Republicans were for President Obama’s requirement that Americans get health insurance before they were against it.

The obligation in the new health care law is a Republican idea that has been around at least two decades. It was once trumpeted as an alternative to Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton’s failed health care overhaul in the 1990s. These days, Republicans call it government overreach.

Mitt Romney, weighing another run for the GOP presidential nomination, signed such a requirement into law at the state level as Massachusetts governor in 2006. At the time, Romney defended it as “a personal responsibility principle’’ and Massachusetts’ newest GOP senator, Scott Brown, backed it. Romney now says Obama’s plan is a federal takeover that bears little resemblance to what he did as governor and should be repealed.
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http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/health- ... -idea.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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"The truth is this is a Republican idea," said Linda Quick, president of the South Florida Hospital and Healthcare Association. She said she first heard the concept of the "individual mandate" in a Miami speech in the early 1990s by Sen. John McCain, a conservative Republican from Arizona, to counter the "Hillarycare" the Clintons were proposing.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/23/9 ... suing.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Anicca]

Note: I am not for this mandate that all citizens enrich the private insurance companies in the absence of a public option, or perhaps a single-payer system is preferable.

Ditto.

metta

[tiltbillings]

Are you aware that a Federal Judge, Judge Henry Hudson of Virginia recently ruled the mandate in Obomacare proposal UNCONSTITUTIONAL?

Yep:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/1 ... 98281.html

[cooran]

Nowadays woman can vote, and we have an African American President, which is a great leap for true liberty.

Kevin

Hello Kevin,

If you go back to your high school history notes, you'll see that although American women were granted the right to vote - it was a long time after most of the other nations gave their female citizens that right.

http://womenshistory.about.com/od/suffr ... meline.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Chris

[tiltbillings]

Nowadays woman can vote, and we have an African American President, which is a great leap for true liberty.

Kevin

Hello Kevin,

If you go back to your high school history notes, you'll see that although American women were granted the right to vote - it was a long time after most of the other nations gave their female citizens that right.

http://womenshistory.about.com/od/suffr ... meline.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Chris

Kevin's statement is one of the funnier I have read in a long time. The blatant anti-Obama racism is coming from the right.

[tiltbillings]

Once the government can mandate that they can mandate anything, such as what cars you can buy or drive. Don't get me wrong, they won't be mandating things like that tomorrow, but they will, eventually. It is nothing more than a road to soft tyranny.

Too much GlennBeck and company. This is the one thing that the Right does well: fear and paranoia.

[Ceisiwr]

Going to sound dumb but is Obamacare a move to a free healthcare system, like we have in the UK with the NHS?


If so I dont see what the problem is, we have the NHS and we havent fallen into tyranny etc


I mean we still have an unelected head of state and we are still a free country...

[Anicca]

Going to sound dumb but is Obamacare a move to a free healthcare system, like we have in the UK with the NHS?

No, we are forced to choose which private corporation to which we routinely pay money.

we are still a free country...

Not as free as US!

metta

[Ceisiwr]

No, we are forced to choose which private corporation to which we routinely pay money.

I see, why not have a US version of the NHS with the option of private healthcare, like we have?

Not as free as US!

In what way are we British oppressed?

[Anicca]

Not as free as US!

In what way are we British oppressed?

It is not that you are oppressed, we just have more Liberty!

Too much GlennBeck and company.

We now have the results the Liberty to spew as much unbalanced vitrol as we can across the air-ways - radio and TV. Back in the days of tyranny, the public air-ways were bullied by the BIG GOVERNMENT to present opposing views.
Now we have the vanity of Rush Limbaugh and company spreading more LIberty through our population.

why not have a US version of the NHS with the option of private healthcare, like we have?

Takes away the Liberty of private corporations to make money.

Understand?

metta

[Ceisiwr]

It is not that you are oppressed, we just have more Liberty!

How? Liberty for liberties sake seems a bit silly to me


We have democratic parties and elections, freedom of speech, press, assembly etc


I would say we are a bit more democratic than America, which seems restricted to a two party system ...

Takes away the Liberty of private corporations to make money.

We still have private companies its just there is a free national health alternative


Also is the liberty of the companies to make money more important then the health of an entire nation? There are lots of other areas to make money in...

[Anicca]

It is not that you are oppressed, we just have more Liberty!

How? Liberty for liberties sake seems a bit silly to me

Sorry - I am being facetious.

I would say we are a bit more democratic than America, which seems restricted to a two party system ...

It is seeming more and more like a one party system.

We still have private companies its just there is a free national health alternative.

semi-Socialist!

Also is the liberty of the companies to make money more important then the health of an entire nation?

Yep.

There are lots of other areas to make money in...

They want it ALL! It is called the Liberty of privatization.

metta

[Ceisiwr]

It seeming more and more like a one party system.

Although I dont live in America, the two parties do seem to be more or less similar. American politics seems quite static

semi-Socialist!

Complete Socialist lol, firm supporter of Communist party of Britain and the Labour Party

They want it ALL! It called the Liberty of privatization.

Seems grotesque to me

[Kenshou]

I see, why not have a US version of the NHS with the option of private healthcare, like we have?

What would the poor insurance companies do?? Poo-poo the individual citizen, the corporate citizen is what's important on this side of the ocean.

And I can shovel my cash over to whichever one I like! Liberty!