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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby alan » Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:49 am

Who is the real person hiding behind that jackal?

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:52 am

thereductor wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
alan wrote:That is a decent answer. But most of us only know you through your dog-faced personae.
Who is the real Tilt?
Actually, it is a jackal. As for for the who is the real Tilt Billings, you'd have to ask Leo Kottke.


:cry: And I thought your name really was Tilt. "What a cool name," I thought to myself.
It is a cool name. I got banned from E-Sandbox because one of the moderators lied about me and doctored an e-mail. I told the him that he could not keep me out of the sandbox. I waited two months, logged back on and other than using a different name I continued to post as I always had, fighting the same battle, quoting the same quotes including quoting myself, and I had a several year career in the sandbox until it self-destructed in a fit of hyper-orthodox-inquisitorial vigil-ism. Who was before I became tiltbillings? That I think I'll keep to myself, given my actual name and whatnot can be traced from it and I have had some bad experiences with that.
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby alan » Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:55 am

Fair enough. What fight made you so passionate?

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:09 am

alan wrote:Fair enough. What fight made you so passionate?
In the Sandbox I was quite willing to defend the Theravada against the unthinking application of the notion that it was hinayana, and in the process give some critique of the Mahayana, the Grandiose Vehicle, which the Mahayanist hardliners got rather cranky about, never really seeing irony of that. And for that I was accused of being a one-issue poster, but actually I had at least two other issues which I liked going on about: the nature of nibbana and the that the bodhi of the arahant is no different from that of the Buddha.

Here I tend to be a bit more general in my focus, though dhammas are not "really existing part-less particles" is one of my new favorites.
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam
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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby Reductor » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:11 am

tiltbillings wrote:That I think I'll keep to myself, given my actual name and whatnot can be traced from it and I have had some bad experiences with that.


A prudent action, I must agree.

But really, Tilt is a cool name. ;)
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To his own ruin the fool gains knowledge, for it cleaves his head and destroys his innate goodness. -- Dhp 72


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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby alan » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:24 am

You are to be congratulated for your fight against mindless Mahayana nonsense.
*edit--I'll wait and see what response there may be to this*
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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:26 am

It's always nice to be relieved from maintaining secrets.

:spy:

Tilt is a cool name though... it reminds me of pinball machines.

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:29 am

Greetings Alan,

alan wrote:What is this new thing of which you speak? Didn't quite get that.
*here is your opportunity to explain, and build a case, for your argument*

If you've seen and followed any of Tilt's discussions with Virgo, you'll get the idea. If that answer doesn't satisfy your curiosity, do a search on the word 'reify' or 'reified'.

Frankly I hope it doesn't come up again for a while, as I'm rather enjoying the break from it.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"When we transcend one level of truth, the new level becomes what is true for us. The previous one is now false. What one experiences may not be what is experienced by the world in general, but that may well be truer. (Ven. Nanananda)

“I hope, Anuruddha, that you are all living in concord, with mutual appreciation, without disputing, blending like milk and water, viewing each other with kindly eyes.” (MN 31)

Never again...

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby alan » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:36 am

Just edited my post, sorry.
The mention of the word "reify" makes me sick.
It just does.
Don't even know what it means, but it must be bad.

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby appicchato » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:36 am

Oh yeah!... :thumbsup:

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby alan » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:44 am

Tilt vs. Virgo= Too much.

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:46 am

tiltbillings wrote:
alan wrote:That is a decent answer. But most of us only know you through your dog-faced personae.
Who is the real Tilt?
Actually, it is a jackal. As for for the who is the real Tilt Billings, you'd have to ask Leo Kottke.


Indeed, i was wondering when your good taste in music would come out!
Thanks for the gecho anecdote. Poignant, yet very funny!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:11 am

alan wrote:Tilt vs. Virgo= Too much.
Not necessarily.
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam
Damned if I know.

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby alan » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:13 am

Tilt=must have last word.

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:18 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Alan,

alan wrote:What is this new thing of which you speak? Didn't quite get that.
*here is your opportunity to explain, and build a case, for your argument*

If you've seen and followed any of Tilt's discussions with Virgo, you'll get the idea. If that answer doesn't satisfy your curiosity, do a search on the word 'reify' or 'reified'.

Frankly I hope it doesn't come up again for a while, as I'm rather enjoying the break from it.

Metta,
Retro. :)
The Virgo business is a side show, but not without its importance. To answer Alan's question:


http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3131&hilit=Piatigorsky&start=20#p46935

and any thread on non-dualism
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam
Damned if I know.

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:19 am

alan wrote:Tilt=must have last word.
Not necessarily.
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam
Damned if I know.

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby alan » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:24 am

Which proves the point.

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:27 am

alan wrote:Which proves the point.
Not necessarily.
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam
Damned if I know.

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:41 am

Ben wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
alan wrote:That is a decent answer. But most of us only know you through your dog-faced personae.
Who is the real Tilt?
Actually, it is a jackal. As for for the who is the real Tilt Billings, you'd have to ask Leo Kottke.


Indeed, i was wondering when your good taste in music would come out!
Thanks for the gecho anecdote. Poignant, yet very funny!


Tilt Billings:
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If I were female, I would have taken the name Mona Ray:

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And just for good measure:
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam
Damned if I know.

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Re: to fulfill a promise

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:38 am

We definitely need a shrine to Leo Kottke on DW!
I wouldn't blame you re: Mona Ray.
I loved it when he did Little Martha (by Duane Allman).
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I've known the Allman piece for years and when I heard Leo's treatment - I can't explain it...
Airproofing: How beautiful is that?
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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