(Dharma Puzzle) Which one is more special?

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I think they're both really sweet, especially the small one. :tongue:
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The mani one.
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I must be missing something here. :shrug:
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Maybe just another way to convey the message of Ud 1.10 ..
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santa100 wrote:Maybe just another way to convey the message of Ud 1.10 ..
I don't understand that either. :tongue:
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Spiny Norman wrote:
santa100 wrote:Maybe just another way to convey the message of Ud 1.10 ..
I don't understand that either. :tongue:
Yep, still lost here.

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The way I see it, as long as there's something "more special", automatically there must be something that is "less special". One can't exist without the other. The differentiation results in picking and choosing which further reflects the deep rooted duality of desire and aversion. While this is fine and maybe necessary on the conventional level, the continuous reinforcement of the habits would hinder further progress on the path and that's pretty much the theme reflected in Ud 1.10: "In reference to the seen, there will be only the seen, etc.."
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santa100 wrote:The way I see it, as long as there's something "more special", automatically there must be something that is "less special". One can't exist without the other. The differentiation results in picking and choosing which further reflects the deep rooted duality of desire and aversion. While this is fine and maybe necessary on the conventional level, the continuous reinforcement of the habits would hinder further progress on the path and that's pretty much the theme reflected in Ud 1.10: "In reference to the seen, there will be only the seen, etc.."
Well Bahiya became an arahant within a few seconds of hearing that teaching. That's the absolute, ultimate, summit, apex of the path that one can reach in this life.

Until arahantship for everybody else, there must be at least the most subtle forms of desire and aversion. Call it preference or inclination, if you will. For example, one engages in right effort with a preference/inclination for wholesome states over unwholesome ones.
SN 45.8 wrote:"And what, monks, is right effort?

"There is the case where a monk generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the non-arising of evil, unskillful qualities that have not yet arisen.

[ii] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the abandonment of evil, unskillful qualities that have arisen.

[iii] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the arising of skillful qualities that have not yet arisen.

[iv] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the maintenance, non-confusion, increase, plenitude, development, & culmination of skillful qualities that have arisen: This, monks, is called right effort."
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Mkoll wrote:Until arahantship for everybody else, there must be at least the most subtle forms of desire and aversion. Call it preference or inclination, if you will. For example, one engages in right effort with a preference/inclination for wholesome states over unwholesome ones.
Sure, and the keywords are highlighted. And the puzzle's picture also illustrated that. Had it depicted 2 pictures of a drunk man with a bottle of wine in his hand versus a picture of a man practicing sitting meditation, one'd certainly be encouraged to pick the latter over the former. Instead, the pictures seems to point to one's preference simply over sensual pleasantness, or basic attractive forms object toward the eye door and our instinctual attachment/aversion response toward them. This is what the Buddha cautioned us against in many of his teachings.
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That's a good analogy. Good post.
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I don't know if we're on the right track here. I'm waiting for PimonratC to tell us the correct answer so I can claim my prize. :tongue:
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Spiny Norman wrote:I don't know if we're on the right track here. I'm waiting for PimonratC to tell us the correct answer so I can claim my prize. :tongue:
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I think santa100's explanation makes good sense even if it's not the answer PimonratC had in mind. :thumbsup:
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