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Can Plants think?

Postby cooran » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:47 am

Hello all,

Interesting

Can Plants think?
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/01 ... think.html

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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby SarathW » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:55 am

No, according to Abhidhamma not even life!

:shrug:

In Abhidhamma trees, plants, mountains and others
are all taken to be external, not internal. Therefore, we cannot
say there is Jīvita in plants or trees. Jīvita, as you see here,
arises only internally. Jīvita-navaka and all these Kammaja
groupings arise internally only. So Jīvita cannot be found
outside living beings according to Abhidhamma. Abhidhamma
takes trees and others as non-living things, not as living
beings. It would be wrong to say that there is Jīvita in trees or
plants. We should be very careful when we talk about these
things. There may be what is called life in plants or in trees,
but that life is not Jīvita. It may be some other thing which is
called life.
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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby cooran » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:17 am

Hello all,

New research on plant intelligence may forever change how you think about plants
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/n ... out-plants

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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby culaavuso » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:33 am

Plant intentionality and the phenomenological framework of plant intelligence brings a whole new perspective to the suttas talking about beings living in trees, such as MN 45.

MN 45: Cula-dhammasamadana Sutta wrote:Just as if a maluva creeper pod were to burst open in the last month of the hot season, and a maluva creeper seed were to fall at the foot of a sala tree. The deva living in the tree would become frightened, apprehensive, & anxious. Her friends & companions, relatives & kin — garden devas, forest devas, tree devas, devas living in herbs, grass, & forest monarchs — would gather together to console her: 'Have no fear, have no fear. In all likelihood a peacock is sure to swallow this maluva creeper seed, or a deer will eat it, or a brush fire will burn it up, or woodsmen will pick it up, or termites will carry it off, and anyway it probably isn't really a seed.'
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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby rowboat » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:39 am

Cooran, I look forward to reading the New Yorker article by Michael Pollan.

"Refracted rearwards along the course of evolution, consciousness displays itself qualitatively as a spectrum of shifting shades whose lower terms are lost in the night." - Teilhard de Chardin

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Rain soddens what is covered up,
It does not sodden what is open.
Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby PimonratC » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:49 am

What is the difference between plants and our body ... :smile:

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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby lyndon taylor » Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:08 am

Duh, we have a brain!!!
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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby alan » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:03 am

He's made a business of writing stories like this. Gets a lot of play in free media, but tells us nothing of any use.
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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby cooran » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:41 am

Interesting opinions here :tongue:

A little bit about Professor Pollan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pollan

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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby lyndon taylor » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:19 am

In either case, if you want to reduce the killing of animals, be a vegetarian or vegan, if you want to reduce the killing of plants, be a vegetarian or vegan, as meat production kills way more plants than vegetarians do.......
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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby Spiny Norman » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:25 am

cooran wrote:Can Plants think?


No, and I think they're better off for it. ;)
Well, oi dunno...
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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby Shaswata_Panja » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:06 am

culaavuso wrote:Plant intentionality and the phenomenological framework of plant intelligence brings a whole new perspective to the suttas talking about beings living in trees, such as MN 45.

MN 45: Cula-dhammasamadana Sutta wrote:Just as if a maluva creeper pod were to burst open in the last month of the hot season, and a maluva creeper seed were to fall at the foot of a sala tree. The deva living in the tree would become frightened, apprehensive, & anxious. Her friends & companions, relatives & kin — garden devas, forest devas, tree devas, devas living in herbs, grass, & forest monarchs — would gather together to console her: 'Have no fear, have no fear. In all likelihood a peacock is sure to swallow this maluva creeper seed, or a deer will eat it, or a brush fire will burn it up, or woodsmen will pick it up, or termites will carry it off, and anyway it probably isn't really a seed.'



Please do see M Night Shyamalan's Happening--one of the greatest film on environmental destruction ever made---and thank you for making this post..i would love to disclose more about that film but I am resisting...i think seeing your post..The Happening surely qualifies as a Dhamma film?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Happening_(2008_film)
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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby Mkoll » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:54 am

If you're interested in this sort of thing, I'd recommend The Secret Life of Plants: a Fascinating Account of the Physical, Emotional, and Spiritual Relations Between Plants and Man. Interesting, to say the least.

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Re: Can Plants think?

Postby Jason » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:28 am

Reminds me of something I read the other day that's somewhat related:

What’s the Point If We Can’t Have Fun?

While I think the end falls a bit flat, what I really like about this is how Graeber points towards the narrowing ideological view of material reality that reduces animals to calculating economic actors trying to maximize some sort of self-interest, and which minimizes the role of cooperation, play, and sociability in evolution.

For one, it leads towards the conclusion that we're little more than just robots, and leaves many of life's mysteries as, well, mysteries. It also illustrates how the way we frame things can ideologically exclude different possibilities, and has the effect of acting as theoretical blinders that themselves can make us see what we want to see, or else what we're conditioned by the ruling ideology to see.

So when it comes to science, for example, we have boxed ourselves "into a world where to be scientific means to offer an explanation of behaviour in rational terms" (following the model of vulgar economists and materialists), and where things like play ("the existence of action carried out for the sheer pleasure of acting, the exertion of powers for the sheer pleasure of exerting them") and freedom (non-determined, non-rational action) strike us as mysterious aberrations that need to be explained away rather than qualities that may vary well be present in some form in nature all the way down to the subatomic level.

Who knows, it may not just be plants and animals that have the ability to 'think.'
"Sabbe dhamma nalam abhinivesaya" (AN 7.58).

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