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Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:30 am

http://www.oprah.com/own-super-soul-sun ... ving-Video

(thanks to reddust at Dharma Wheel -- where I found this link)
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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby SamKR » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:06 am

Pleasant to hear. :thumbsup:
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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby Mkoll » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:18 am

Good. Any positive exposure of Buddhism of any stripe in the mainstream media is good.

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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby SarathW » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:00 am

It is not easy to make a TV programmed which appeal to millions of non Buddhist.
I am not sure whether Buddha ever said that he is not a human!
I like the way he introduce Brahama Viharas without any technical jargons.
The last episode soul to soul is more of a Christian belief than a Buddhist belief.
For me one inch forward is a one inch forward.
So it is good episode to watch.
However it is no different to teaching meditation in fitness centers.
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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:58 am

SarathW wrote:I am not sure whether Buddha ever said that he is not a human!

    On one occasion the Blessed One was traveling along the road between Ukkattha and Setabya, and Dona the brahman was also traveling along the road between Ukkattha and Setabya. Dona the brahman saw, in the Blessed One's footprints, wheels with 1,000 spokes, together with rims and hubs, complete in all their features. On seeing them, the thought occurred to him, "How amazing! How astounding! These are not the footprints of a human being!"

    Then the Blessed One, leaving the road, went to sit at the root of a certain tree — his legs crossed, his body erect, with mindfulness established to the fore. Then Dona, following the Blessed One's footprints, saw him sitting at the root of the tree: confident, inspiring confidence, his senses calmed, his mind calmed, having attained the utmost control & tranquility, tamed, guarded, his senses restrained, a naga. On seeing him, he went to him and said, "Master, are you a deva?"[2]

    "No, brahman, I am not a deva."

    "Are you a gandhabba?"

    "No..."

    "... a yakkha?"

    "No..."

    "... a human being?"

    "No, brahman, I am not a human being."

    "When asked, 'Are you a deva?' you answer, 'No, brahman, I am not a deva.' When asked, 'Are you a gandhabba?' you answer, 'No, brahman, I am not a gandhabba.' When asked, 'Are you a yakkha?' you answer, 'No, brahman, I am not a yakkha.' When asked, 'Are you a human being?' you answer, 'No, brahman, I am not a human being.' Then what sort of being are you?"

    "Brahman, the fermentations by which — if they were not abandoned — I would be a deva: Those are abandoned by me, their root destroyed, made like a palmyra stump, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising. The fermentations by which — if they were not abandoned — I would be a gandhabba... a yakkha... a human being: Those are abandoned by me, their root destroyed, made like a palmyra stump, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising.

    "Just like a red, blue, or white lotus — born in the water, grown in the water, rising up above the water — stands unsmeared by the water, in the same way I — born in the world, grown in the world, having overcome the world — live unsmeared by the world. Remember me, brahman, as 'awakened [buddha].' AN 4.36 PTS: A ii 37 http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

    [2]The Buddha's refusal to identify himself as a human being relates to a point made throughout the Canon, that an awakened person cannot be defined in any way at all. On this point, see MN 72, SN 22.85, SN 22.86, and the article, "A Verb for Nirvana." Because a mind with clinging is "located" by its clinging, an awakened person takes no place in any world: this is why he/she is unsmeared by the world (loka), like the lotus unsmeared by water.

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby manas » Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:31 am

tiltbillings wrote:...

:goodpost: Hi Tilt, great quotes, but a concern could be that, a total newcomer to Buddhism - and many in the audience would be such - might easily misconstrue the statement that the Buddha was 'not a human being'; the subtlety of the actual meaning would most likely slip right past them. I think it's best if newcomers are told that 'he was a human being who attained enlightenment' so they don't get confused...

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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:55 am

manas wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:...

:goodpost: Hi Tilt, great quotes, but a concern could be that, a total newcomer to Buddhism - and many in the audience would be such - might easily misconstrue the statement that the Buddha was 'not a human being'; the subtlety of the actual meaning would most likely slip right past them. I think it's best if newcomers are told that 'he was a human being who attained enlightenment' so they don't get confused...

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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby kmath » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:17 am

manas wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:...

:goodpost: Hi Tilt, great quotes, but a concern could be that, a total newcomer to Buddhism - and many in the audience would be such - might easily misconstrue the statement that the Buddha was 'not a human being'; the subtlety of the actual meaning would most likely slip right past them. I think it's best if newcomers are told that 'he was a human being who attained enlightenment' so they don't get confused...

kind regards,
manas.


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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby SarathW » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:26 am

Hi Tilt
Thanks. I got my one inch forward!
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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby robertk » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:26 am

I think that is a rather misleading translation as it should read

..."WILL you be a deva, WILL you be a gandhabba?" etc etc..

Of course he wont be any of these as the Buddha has uprooted all conditions leading to rebirth
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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:51 am

Off topic posting removed. Please stay on topic.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:48 pm

I think Jack Kornfield did good. He was very calm and composed and answered well given his audience. He was not talking to Buddhists. The viewers I imagine would be mostly Christian, Jewish, agnostics, atheists, and new agers. Imagine how many he might have turned away if he answered something like:

O: What is God to you?
JK: There is no God.

O: So what is the soul to you?
JK: There is no soul, next question.

O: Then who is sitting here with me discussing this?
JK: Simple, by paṭiccasamuppāda, there is avijjā which conditions viññāna, taṇhā and a host of other factors causing jāti.

Instead he basically described the aggregates and said it is fine if people want to call that a "soul." And for God, he gave an explanation devoid of any person or being. Not entirely traditional or canonical, but still a pretty good answer, given the audience.
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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby Mkoll » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:51 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:Imagine how many he might have turned away if he answered something like:

O: What is God to you?
JK: There is no God.

O: So what is the soul to you?
JK: There is no soul, next question.

O: Then who is sitting here with me discussing this?
JK: Simple, by paṭiccasamuppāda, there is avijjā which conditions viññāna, taṇhā and a host of other factors causing jāti.

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Re: Oprah & Jack Kornfield

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:04 pm

Thanks David... :)

I also thought it was fine. It's like the public talks that the Dalai Lama gives. Going into technicalities in those circumstances would be totally ineffective. But the opportunity to demonstrate to the audience that there might be something worth investigating, that the kindness and compassion must be coming from something special, is huge.

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