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Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:14 am

An interesting list just popped up on the ABC website, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/21-things-vote-compass-revealed-federal-election/4939224
The ABC's Vote Compass provided unprecedented insight into the views of Australian voters, capturing more than 1.2 million responses during the federal election campaign.
Here are 21 things Vote Compass has revealed about Australian political life.

Amongst other things, it shows many of my opinions are minority opinions in my home state - no great surprise - but not nationally.
Also that there is majority support (nationally) for gay marriage, more action on climate change, making the mining companies pay more tax, reducing aid to the car industry, and tightening restrictions on CSG. If that were to be reflected in tomorrow's ballot, we'd have a Greens government. :jumping:
It won't happen, of course, but it's disappointing that we are likely to have a government which is on the minority side on all of those issues.

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby manas » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:16 am

Hi Kim,

no, it's the Murdochcracy in action... :P

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:23 am

Greetings,

Why An Abbott Election Victory Would Be Good
https://www.thevine.com.au/life/news/wh ... 05-264996/

P.S. Vote Green! (especially in the senate - once the final lay of the land is known, we'll see just how important the senate will be) :mrgreen:

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:19 am

manas wrote:Hi Kim,

no, it's the Murdochcracy in action... :P

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For those who don't understand that reference, here's how one of Australia's largest-circulation papers, Murdoch-owned of course, celebrated the announcement of our federal election date.
The bloke on the cover is our Prime Minister.

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So much for fair and balanced reporting!

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby dagon » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:28 am

There is only one valid question in this election - who are you going to vote against.

To paraphase the old saying that:
democracy is like two wolves and a sheep deciding on what they are going to have for dinner
my words - 2 media owners and a conscience deciding what we are going to think :shrug:

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby dagon » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:40 am

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I wonder if i could get away with doing that when i vote, lol

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:46 am

retrofuturist wrote:Why An Abbott Election Victory Would Be Good
https://www.thevine.com.au/life/news/wh ... 05-264996/

Thanks for that link, Retro - it's good, and I will spread it far and wide on Sunday if we get the result we are being told to expect.

retrofuturist wrote:P.S. Vote Green! (especially in the senate - once the final lay of the land is known, we'll see just how important the senate will be) :mrgreen:

Absolutely! And remember ...
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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Dan74 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:32 am

A quick perusal of the vine article and so far I agree completely - I've been saying the same thing for ages (even before Rudd).

I am not surprised that people are voting for the Libs, even though I shudder at the consequences. Labor has really squandered its chance, not that it was given much of a chance by the media, it is true. And I hope they ban the incessant polls. Why do we need polls? We have a representative democracy (supposedly), the MPs should have an ear to the ground. The polls create a feedback loop where the constant reporting of the polls actually influences the next poll. This is a perversion of democracy. I also wonder about methodology - apparently some still call landlines - who has landlines now??

Anyway, :toilet:

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:39 am

dagon wrote:Edit due to duplication of post

I wonder if i could get away with doing that when i vote, lol

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It's worth trying!

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:32 am

During this election campaign more than any other time I have thought seriously about getting more involved in political action and joining The Greens.
Unfortunately, only recently I had to cancel my modest monthly donations to the UNHCR due to my personal financial situation.
It is expected that Abbott will win in a landslide (in the House). One can only hope that he is constrained by sensible opposition in the Senate.
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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:34 am

Greetings Ben,

Well, handing out the how to vote cards today was good fun!

It's funny... it's something that once would have been outside my comfort zone, but today I felt I was in my element.

:thumbsup:

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:59 am

Yeah, perhaps when I am more financial I'll join The Greens.
Unfortunately due to my ongoing financial situation I recently had to stop my monthly donation to the UNHCR.
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tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:30 am

Greetings,

Ben wrote:Yeah, perhaps when I am more financial I'll join The Greens.

You don't have to do that though... I'm not a "paid up" member. I just volunteer, get involved etc. They're not going to turn back any help they can get!

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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Kim OHara » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:44 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

Ben wrote:Yeah, perhaps when I am more financial I'll join The Greens.

You don't have to do that though... I'm not a "paid up" member. I just volunteer, get involved etc. They're not going to turn back any help they can get!

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I'll second that! :smile:
I'm not a member but they welcomed my help and I spent half the day handing out how-to-vote cards, and enjoyed it, too.
There's an attractive camaraderie between campaign workers of all all parties, e.g. Labor people were happy to look after Greens cards when I took a break, and to hand them out to anyone who asked; or the Lib campaign worker who happily admitted she voted Greens for the Senate; even the Rise Up Australia people were willing to share a laugh.
More importantly, I feel I helped a few people make better choices and I feel that I did what I reasonably could to make the political landscape a little less ugly. If I hadn't got out there, I would be disappointed (and a bit angry) with myself for not supporting my beliefs with action when it came to crunch time.

Now to wait for Senate results ... :?

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:03 am

Thanks guys.
I just turned the ABC back on and as expected - a change of govt is in progress.
I would have liked to help out today but was feeling very unwell the last 24+ hours.
Your public spirit is admirable.
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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:06 am

Greetings Kim,

:goodpost:

Sounds a lot like my day.

The guy handing out Palmer fliers admitted he was really a Labor voter, but the local Palmer candidate was his sumo wrestling teacher. :lol:

The volunteers were all respectful of each other - appreciating each other's passion for their beliefs, in bright contrast to the apathy and/or despondence of a large portion of voters.

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If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


Exalted in mind, just open and clearly aware, the recluse trained in the ways of the sages:
One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:08 am

And now for a wee bit of classic Michael Leunig...

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Learn this from the waters:
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but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
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saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:57 am

Tony Abbott's victory speech (unedited).

Learn this from the waters:
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but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
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tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Dan74 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:37 pm

Good work, folks! Hopefully this will give time for the other guys to sort themselves out and recall what they are about.
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Re: Aussie election: Democracy in action?

Postby Ben » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:39 pm

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Learn this from the waters:
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but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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