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So here we go -- Luang Pu Nenkham and money laundering investigation, he will probably ask for exile in France next:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/3 ... laundering
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nationa ... 09598.html

:broke: :spy:
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Ah. Monks are people too.
Besides, one bows to the robes representing the Dhamma, not the particular monk.
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binocular wrote:Ah. Monks are people too.
Besides, one bows to the robes representing the Dhamma, not the particular monk.
So we should be critical when they do something inappropriate for their position?
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Mr Man wrote:So we should be critical when they do something inappropriate for their position?
As with all complaints and criticism: one ought to complain to the person who is actually in the position to do something about it.
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Should we be afraid of being critical? What do we do when self governing institutions misbehave or when those with the authority are complicit? Sometimes consensus is useful.
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Mr Man wrote:Should we be afraid of being critical? What do we do when self governing institutions misbehave or when those with the authority are complicit? Sometimes consensus is useful.
Yes. Consensus is absolutely critical in this day and age.
binocular wrote:
Mr Man wrote:So we should be critical when they do something inappropriate for their position?
As with all complaints and criticism: one ought to complain to the person who is actually in the position to do something about it.
(emph. mine)

In the real world situations are not black and white binocular. You cannot apply one solution to fit all problems, it's not a 'one size fits all' world. There are situations that might arise where by you are not able to contact the person who has power to act in in necessary time. There are situations that arise where it is beneficial to spread the word far and wide, such as this current one in Thailand, a country where in order to save face - potential scandal is often swept under the rug without so much as a finger being lifted. What if you were the only one who knew about this and you only took it to the person you thought had the power to act, and he just made the whole thing dissappear, as is commonplace in many S.E. Asian countries.

Life seems to me to be one of those things where you have to take it as it comes. To say: 'I would act this way' or 'We should always do this' betrays an uninformed conception of the way these things work, predicated I would warrant upon a lot of strongly held views as opposed to any real world experience. This viewpoint is all too common in the world, sadly. Especially amongst those who harbour a self-exceptionalism that results in an 'I know best' mentality.
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Mr Man wrote:Should we be afraid of being critical? What do we do when self governing institutions misbehave or when those with the authority are complicit? Sometimes consensus is useful.
It's not clear what you want from me.

BlackBird wrote:(emph. mine)

In the real world situations are not black and white binocular. You cannot apply one solution to fit all problems, it's not a 'one size fits all' world. There are situations that might arise where by you are not able to contact the person who has power to act in in necessary time. There are situations that arise where it is beneficial to spread the word far and wide, such as this current one in Thailand, a country where in order to save face - potential scandal is often swept under the rug without so much as a finger being lifted. What if you were the only one who knew about this and you only took it to the person you thought had the power to act, and he just made the whole thing dissappear, as is commonplace in many S.E. Asian countries.

Life seems to me to be one of those things where you have to take it as it comes. To say: 'I would act this way' or 'We should always do this' betrays an uninformed conception of the way these things work, predicated I would warrant upon a lot of strongly held views as opposed to any real world experience. This viewpoint is all too common in the world, sadly. Especially amongst those who harbour a self-exceptionalism that results in an 'I know best' mentality.
By all means, public protests, passive aggressiveness, gossip and such work. To some extent.


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binocular wrote:
Mr Man wrote:Should we be afraid of being critical? What do we do when self governing institutions misbehave or when those with the authority are complicit? Sometimes consensus is useful.
It's not clear what you want from me.
???. I don't want anything from you.
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binocular wrote: Oh, and papañca rwles, as always.
I think you missed the point there, or chose not to attribute it where it was intended to be attributed.
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suriyopama wrote:
gavesako wrote:So here we go -- Luang Pu Nenkham and money laundering investigation, he will probably ask for exile in France next:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/3 ... laundering
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nationa ... 09598.html
He will probably be very welcome in France

http://bodhinyanarama.org/fr/2013/01/vi ... -mai-2013/

http://bodhinyanarama.org/fr/celebratio ... -mai-2013/

http://www.ledauphine.com/ardeche/2013/ ... bouddhiste
That's a bit difficult, I wonder when this monastery was established, as you see there is a Thai forest tradition monastery in New Zealand called Bodhinyanarama which was established in the 1980's to the best of my knowledge. It presents some obvious difficulties that both monasteries share the same name, and I'm curious to know which was established first.
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
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This one in France was set up early on, almost at the same time as Chithurst in England. Ajahn Bankao, the abbot, is a Lao disciple of Ajahn Chah who was a refugee at that time and came to live in France in the late 1970s. Ajahn Chah went with Ajahn Sumedho to visit him there. But he kept his distance since then and did not join activities with the other Western monks. Strange that he welcomed this jet-setting monk in his monastery, technically a branch of Wat Pah Pong. That will certainly raise some questions now.
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BlackBird wrote:That's a bit difficult, I wonder when this monastery was established, as you see there is a Thai forest tradition monastery in New Zealand called Bodhinyanarama which was established in the 1980's to the best of my knowledge. It presents some obvious difficulties that both monasteries share the same name, and I'm curious to know which was established first.
According to their website, it was established on 7 July 1977.

Some sources point it as an Ajahn Chah monastery
http://buddhism.hum.ku.ac.th/Buddhism/A ... monastery/
http://www.dhammawiki.com/index.php?tit ... inyanarama
http://www.bouddhisme-france.org/adhere ... foret.html

I do not see it as an affiliated Wat Pah Nanachat or Wat Nong Pah Pong branch
http://www.watpahnanachat.org/Branches.htm
http://www.watnongpahpong.org/sakhananae.php

Many years ago when I went there, they explained to me that when Ajahn Chah traveled to Europe he was going to deliver a relic to Amaravati, but some event happened that made him leave the relic at the Bodhinyanarama Monastery in France.
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