Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

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Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby SarathW » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:19 am

Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

I am visiting Dhamma Wheel for almost two years .
The users on line in a given time is less than 100 most of the time.
This is less than 0.5% of the registered users.
I expect that should be around 10.0%
I think we should aim for 5.0%
We should investigate why new comers leave the forum.
I suggest we make a voting type questioner for member who leave the forum.
Every new comer should be alerted to this questioner at the introduction or at the time of joining.

Suggested questions:
a) Just lost the initial interest in Buddhism.
b) I am intimidated by the advance discussions . I have nothing to contribute
c) I felt Buddhism is as bad as any other religion.

etc
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:48 am

SarathW wrote:The users on line in a given time is less than 100 most of the time.


This is normal. It is measured by who has been online in only the last 30 minutes, not the entire day. There are members in almost every time zone, some need to go to work, school, or get some sleep sometimes.

This is less than 0.5% of the registered users.


This is normal. Some members just read, not all actively participate with posts.

Everyday about 4 to 10 new members join.

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby SarathW » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:07 am

Sorry I got my calculations wrong!
Currently 82/8565*100=0.95%

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Dan74 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:22 am

I think offering an optional questionnaire at the time of joining (what one is looking for? what are the expectations? etc) and also asking for feedback (optional of course) from members is a good idea to gauge where the forum is succeeding and where it is not. Of course all such needed to be taken with a grain of salt but could be useful.
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Spiny Norman » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:37 am

SarathW wrote:Why Dhammawheel is not growing?


Dhamma Wheel is a lot busier than some other forums.
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:00 am

Dan74 wrote:I think offering an optional questionnaire at the time of joining (what one is looking for? what are the expectations? etc) and also asking for feedback (optional of course) from members is a good idea to gauge where the forum is succeeding and where it is not. Of course all such needed to be taken with a grain of salt but could be useful.


This is a good idea, SarathW and Dan74.

Feedback would be good to improve things. As long as these changes do not go against the principles of the forum, I don't see any significant disadvantage.
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Kim OHara » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:40 am

Modus.Ponens wrote:
Dan74 wrote:I think offering an optional questionnaire at the time of joining (what one is looking for? what are the expectations? etc) and also asking for feedback (optional of course) from members is a good idea to gauge where the forum is succeeding and where it is not. Of course all such needed to be taken with a grain of salt but could be useful.


This is a good idea, SarathW and Dan74.

Feedback would be good to improve things. As long as these changes do not go against the principles of the forum, I don't see any significant disadvantage.

So long as we take the results as only a very weak hint of what people might want, I'm with you.
New members will generally not know enough about the forum to make informed comments, after all, and long-term members are generally going to be happy with the way the forum works or they wouldn't have stayed long enough to be long-term members.

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:46 pm

Kim OHara wrote:
Modus.Ponens wrote:
Dan74 wrote:I think offering an optional questionnaire at the time of joining (what one is looking for? what are the expectations? etc) and also asking for feedback (optional of course) from members is a good idea to gauge where the forum is succeeding and where it is not. Of course all such needed to be taken with a grain of salt but could be useful.


This is a good idea, SarathW and Dan74.

Feedback would be good to improve things. As long as these changes do not go against the principles of the forum, I don't see any significant disadvantage.

So long as we take the results as only a very weak hint of what people might want, I'm with you.
New members will generally not know enough about the forum to make informed comments, after all, and long-term members are generally going to be happy with the way the forum works or they wouldn't have stayed long enough to be long-term members.

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I agree. An equilibrium has to be found in order that (eventualy) new suggestions work. And the fact that there are a lot of newcomers would make it difficult to distinguish the results of a poll. Maybe that's why SarathW suggested in the OP that newcomers fill a questionaire.
I don't know if polls can distinguish new members from old members. If they can't, SarathW's suggestion would be the best.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby daverupa » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:50 pm

The question to answer is: what would such a questionnaire accomplish that the Suggestion Box does not?
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    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:57 pm

I don't see the point of the question, if I may say so. From my PoV such membership traffic is par for the course. People can come here with an open mind, take what they need and come and go as they please. For all the fluctuations in the forum, I see little or no effect on the overall purpose of the forum. Like a river, it is largely unaffected by the number of boats floating on it....
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:25 pm

daverupa wrote:The question to answer is: what would such a questionnaire accomplish that the Suggestion Box does not?


I think two things:

1- It's better to have a statisticaly good idea of what annonymous people want, instead of the occasional public suggestion in this part of the forum. Organising the numbers into statistical data can be very useful.

2- If the case that some kind of questionaire was (optionaly) done at the begining of the membership on DW, people would be encouraged to participate more actively in shaping the forum they want. As long as what new members want doesn't go against the present main principles of the forum.

This forum was created 5 or 6 years ago. Since all things are impermanent and the companies that survive the longest are the ones that innovate, I think this is a good idea.

Plus, the information doesn't have to be public. It can be just for moderators to know.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby acinteyyo » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:43 pm

TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:I don't see the point of the question, if I may say so. From my PoV such membership traffic is par for the course. People can come here with an open mind, take what they need and come and go as they please. For all the fluctuations in the forum, I see little or no effect on the overall purpose of the forum. Like a river, it is largely unaffected by the number of boats floating on it....

Seconded. Besides I don't think there is any need for growth. I don't want to say that growth isn't welcomed but I just don't see any necessity for it.
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Kim OHara » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:43 pm

Modus.Ponens wrote:I think two things:

1- It's better to have a statisticaly good idea of what annonymous people want, instead of the occasional public suggestion in this part of the forum. Organising the numbers into statistical data can be very useful.

That's fine if we have enough data to be representative, but I doubt that we will get it. That's why I said earlier that I'm only in favour so long as we don't rely too much on the responses.

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby SarathW » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:00 pm

A typical exit interview question for a large corporation.

http://www.exitinterviews.com.au/exampl ... stions.htm
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Mkoll » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:34 pm

acinteyyo wrote:
TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:I don't see the point of the question, if I may say so. From my PoV such membership traffic is par for the course. People can come here with an open mind, take what they need and come and go as they please. For all the fluctuations in the forum, I see little or no effect on the overall purpose of the forum. Like a river, it is largely unaffected by the number of boats floating on it....

Seconded. Besides I don't think there is any need for growth. I don't want to say that growth isn't welcomed but I just don't see any necessity for it.

I agree. Intervention to spur growth is unnecessary.
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:05 pm

Mkoll wrote:
acinteyyo wrote:
TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:I don't see the point of the question, if I may say so. From my PoV such membership traffic is par for the course. People can come here with an open mind, take what they need and come and go as they please. For all the fluctuations in the forum, I see little or no effect on the overall purpose of the forum. Like a river, it is largely unaffected by the number of boats floating on it....

Seconded. Besides I don't think there is any need for growth. I don't want to say that growth isn't welcomed but I just don't see any necessity for it.

I agree. Intervention to spur growth is unnecessary.


I assume the purpose is to be a platform where people can learn and discuss theravada buddhism. If that's the purpose, why not try to make it better and more appealing? Again, this information could be solely for the moderators to know, and no one else. This way, the principles that make this a good forum could be mantained and yet new good/useful suggestions could arise.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Mkoll » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:13 pm

Modus.Ponens wrote:I assume the purpose is to be a platform where people can learn and discuss theravada buddhism. If that's the purpose, why not try to make it better and more appealing? Again, this information could be solely for the moderators to know, and no one else. This way, the principles that make this a good forum could be mantained and yet new good/useful suggestions could arise.

My question would be: What practical steps could be taken to make Dhamma Wheel better and more appealing?

Honestly, I can't think of any that make good sense.
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:26 am

Mkoll wrote:
Modus.Ponens wrote:I assume the purpose is to be a platform where people can learn and discuss theravada buddhism. If that's the purpose, why not try to make it better and more appealing? Again, this information could be solely for the moderators to know, and no one else. This way, the principles that make this a good forum could be mantained and yet new good/useful suggestions could arise.

My question would be: What practical steps could be taken to make Dhamma Wheel better and more appealing?

Honestly, I can't think of any that make good sense.


That's precisely the point. New people have new ideas and new information that can be useful. Just on the technical level alone, this format will become obsolete some day. Isn't it best to hear from younger people who are up to date with new formats? The stack exchange format is being extremely successful and is one step further than this format. What will happen when there's two or three steps ahead to be caught up by the forum?

Besides, what's wrong with asking people who enter, and people who leave, what they expect and what they didn't like? We, the most active forum members, may be somewhat unsynchronised with what many people want. If what they want doesn't go against the forum's principles, what is wrong with that? I really can't see anything wrong with that. Can you explain me what would be wrong?
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby SDC » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:36 am

I just think the teaching available by way of Theravada isn’t very appealing to the masses. Not our problem.






Oh yeah, and we argue about everything.

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Postby Mkoll » Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:46 am

Modus.Ponens wrote:
Mkoll wrote:
Modus.Ponens wrote:I assume the purpose is to be a platform where people can learn and discuss theravada buddhism. If that's the purpose, why not try to make it better and more appealing? Again, this information could be solely for the moderators to know, and no one else. This way, the principles that make this a good forum could be mantained and yet new good/useful suggestions could arise.

My question would be: What practical steps could be taken to make Dhamma Wheel better and more appealing?

Honestly, I can't think of any that make good sense.


That's precisely the point. New people have new ideas and new information that can be useful. Just on the technical level alone, this format will become obsolete some day. Isn't it best to hear from younger people who are up to date with new formats? The stack exchange format is being extremely successful and is one step further than this format. What will happen when there's two or three steps ahead to be caught up by the forum?

OK, updating the forum software, that's a practical step.

Can you think of anything else beside that?

Modus.Ponens wrote:Besides, what's wrong with asking people who enter, and people who leave, what they expect and what they didn't like? We, the most active forum members, may be somewhat unsynchronised with what many people want. If what they want doesn't go against the forum's principles, what is wrong with that? I really can't see anything wrong with that. Can you explain me what would be wrong?

I don't see anything wrong with that. Neither do I see much point in it either. I mean, what do you expect will follow if the moderators and forum staff have some poll results? What could they do with those results? What would they use the information for? What would they change?

And I don't think this forum is here to cater to "what many people want". This forum isn't trying to sell a product. This forum is not competing in a marketplace and trying to be better than other forums. It's, as the top of the page says: "A Buddhist discussion forum on the Dhamma of the Theravada".

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Granted, I'm not a particularly creative type of person so maybe I'm missing something. If that's the case, please enlighten me.
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