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by Zakattack
Tue May 21, 2013 7:22 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 7540
Views: 1330300

Re: the great rebirth debate

The point is that in dependent origination nama-rupa ( a person ) arises in dependence on consciousness, not the other way round . This contradicts the scientific view. What exactly is "the person"? The suttas explain: What, monks, is the burden? 'The five groups of clinging' is the answe...
by Zakattack
Tue May 21, 2013 7:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 7540
Views: 1330300

Re: the great rebirth debate

porpoise wrote:I'm still struggling to see the relevance, but if you can find a sutta which clearly describes consciousness arising in dependence on form, I'd be interested to see it.
Multiple suttas were previously posted. :roll:
by Zakattack
Tue May 21, 2013 7:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 7540
Views: 1330300

Re: the great rebirth debate

Fundamentalist Christianity & Science may disagree on some fundamental life matters but this disagreement does not necessarily exist between Buddhism & Science. There is certainly less disagreement, but there are still significant differences. The challenge for skeptical Buddhists is how to...
by Zakattack
Tue May 21, 2013 7:00 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 7540
Views: 1330300

Re: the great rebirth debate

Not true, there are clearly 2 options. And in fact if you read the suttas describing dependent origination you will find that "form arising in dependence on consciousness" is described more frequently than "form and consciousness being mutually dependent". The option that the su...
by Zakattack
Mon May 20, 2013 9:30 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: first noble truth, SN 56.11 missing sorrow, lamentation, etc
Replies: 6
Views: 3322

Re: first noble truth, SN 56.11 missing sorrow, lamentation,

I then was looking at the pali, and am confused by the lack of "sorrow, lamentation, distress, suffering, despair" from the pali. It seems obvious Buddha did not include these in his 1st sermon but they were later added in. Bhikkhu Bodhi does not include them in his translation of the 1st...
by Zakattack
Mon May 20, 2013 8:53 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 7540
Views: 1330300

Re: the great rebirth debate

The scientific view broadly seems to be that consciousness arises in dependence on form ( specifically the brain ), this point has been made repeatedly. But this isn't what's described in the suttas, specifically in the teachings on dependent origination, where 2 options are given: 1. Form arising ...
by Zakattack
Mon May 20, 2013 11:33 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 7540
Views: 1330300

Re: the great rebirth debate

this nonsense about the mind being conditioned by the brain etc is completely meaningless. brain injury can result in loss of mental faculties, including consciousness. physical medicine can render the mind unconsciousness ...does not establish that the brain produced the mind. brain injury can res...
by Zakattack
Sun May 19, 2013 12:21 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma
Replies: 9
Views: 3823

Re: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma

Trying to relate kamma to self-ideation is simply misguided. Are you sure? The sutta states: Monk, these are the five aggregates, subjects of clinging....these five-clung-to-aggregates are rooted in desire....whatever passion & delight is there, that's the clinging there....the thought occurs t...
by Zakattack
Sat May 18, 2013 9:20 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma
Replies: 9
Views: 3823

Re: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma

Toward the end, the discussion turns on "what self does action affect?" and the response is that this question is to conceive, just as MN 2 advises us not to do. The issue is thinking in terms of self at any stage to any degree, instead of contemplating in terms of specific conditionality...
by Zakattack
Fri May 17, 2013 7:40 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Abortion
Replies: 149
Views: 45537

Re: Abortion

Yes, the canonical sources quoted are helpful. His analysis seems flawed at this point though: The ethical quality of karma has much to do with the happiness or suffering that one deliberately inflicts upon another. When the other is incapable of feeling pleasure or pain, such considerations become...
by Zakattack
Fri May 17, 2013 11:16 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Cessation of suffering
Replies: 9
Views: 4318

Re: Cessation of suffering

bartovan wrote:I would very much like to discuss the following with you. In the Pali phrase
"Yo tassa yeva tanhaya asesa-viraga-nirodho cago patinissaggo mutti analayo"
from 23:34 http://www.liberationpark.org/audio/ntruths/8901-5a.mp3

:candle:
by Zakattack
Fri May 17, 2013 10:42 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why does arahant's Cetana not produce kamma/vipaka?
Replies: 16
Views: 4061

Re: Why does arahant's Cetana not produce kamma/vipaka?

Actually, I think ground's response does answer the question. Or to put it another way, an arahant neither generates nor sustains any sankharas (including kamma) founded in avijja . Friend. There is appreciation ( mudita ) for your metta towards Ground. But the omission of crucial conditions of avi...
by Zakattack
Thu May 16, 2013 9:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why does arahant's Cetana not produce kamma/vipaka?
Replies: 16
Views: 4061

Re: Why does arahant's Cetana not produce kamma/vipaka?

"But when one doesn't intend, arrange, or obsess [about anything], ... http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn12/sn12.038.than.html ground, I don't think that really answers Coyote's question. an arahant must intend. intention was included by Buddha as one of the four nutriments & th...
by Zakattack
Thu May 16, 2013 4:54 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma
Replies: 9
Views: 3823

Re: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma

dhammapal wrote:I found the sutta I was looking for: Majjhima Nikaya 109: Maha-punnama Sutta: The Great Full-moon Night Discourse
An interesting sutta, there. But does it actually explain the workings of kamma? If it does, where & how? If not, how can there be kamma?

:shrug:
by Zakattack
Tue May 14, 2013 10:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is There Scriptural Justification for The Wheel
Replies: 19
Views: 3953

Re: Is There Scriptural Justification for The Wheel

What about these? Together, do they show a circularness? In dependence on the sensuality element there arises sensual perception; in dependence on the sensual perception there arises sensual intention; in dependence on the sensual intention there arises sensual desire; in dependence on the sensual d...