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by now realm
Sat Feb 07, 2015 5:31 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Fourfold Sangha
Replies: 47
Views: 17173

Re: Fourfold Sangha

Okay, Bhante. You're absolutely right on catasso parisa, as so far I can't seem to find a sutta that says otherwise. Maybe, perhaps I got carried away by my imagination & stubbornness :) no problem. Guess, I was too passionate about 'ariya'. I need to take it easy. With much metta. Wishing u hap...
by now realm
Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Fourfold Sangha
Replies: 47
Views: 17173

Re: Fourfold Sangha

Thank you Bhante with appreciation for pointing out. That passage I quoted was from the story of Sariputta wriiten & translated in English from the Pali text but I can't seem to find the story & passage in Pali. Appreciate if anyone could point out the Pali version to see what is the term us...
by now realm
Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Fourfold Sangha
Replies: 47
Views: 17173

Re: Fourfold Sangha

Hi, I'm afraid I've to say this though I'm aware it can be annoying to some ppl but I feel that this had to be ironed out according to the precise words of the Buddha (Gotama) in the Pali sutta (Pali Canon). I'm becoming more & more convinced that the four fold assembly in the Pali suttas was sp...
by now realm
Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Authenticity of the 8 garudhammas
Replies: 22
Views: 9435

Re: Authenticity of the 8 garudhammas

Hi, Don't mean to rub it in, but I've been pondering on this. I find that Gotama Buddha could not have got it wrong pertaining to the natural attributes & nature of genders. Science in our modern times can now prove that we are all made up of energies. In the olden days, our ancestors were able ...
by now realm
Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Fourfold Sangha
Replies: 47
Views: 17173

Re: Fourfold Sangha

Hi, I think Pali could be one of the many local dialects spoken in India and Sanskrit was an official language spoken by only the brahmins and royalties during Gotama Buddha's times. The local dialects spoken in India and in many parts of Asia that were passed down from their ancestors are still bei...
by now realm
Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Fourfold Sangha
Replies: 47
Views: 17173

Re: Fourfold Sangha

Hi pilgrim, Absolutely, Pali was the spoken language or dialect of the Magadha. Sanskrit was only spoken by the brahmins then. I think, the early Indian traditions e.g the Vedic/Bhagava Gita were spoken in Sanskrit. It makes sense to me that Gotama Buddha preached in Pali to enable everyone includin...
by now realm
Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Fourfold Sangha
Replies: 47
Views: 17173

Re: Fourfold Sangha

Hi, It's interesting to find out that the origin of "sangha" is from Sanskrit "samgha" (but not sure if it's true) to mean group or congregation. There's "sangha" in Jainism as well. Interesting to note it's consistently "bhikkhus bhikkhunis upasakas and upasikas&q...
by now realm
Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:08 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Fourfold Sangha
Replies: 47
Views: 17173

Re: Fourfold Sangha

Hi, I think, the word "sangha" primarily means assemblage or community. I think, to the non-buddhist , it means community, which IMO, is not wrong according to its meaning. However, in Buddhism, particularly Theravada, it means the monastic order of monks and nuns, or a Buddhist religious ...
by now realm
Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:59 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Fourfold Sangha
Replies: 47
Views: 17173

Re: Fourfold Sangha

Hi Pilgrim, Good question. I would say they are sub-groups of either bhikkhus or bhikkhunis as they are novices undergoing probation who eventually would be either under bhikkhu or bhikkhunis. However, if taken as individuals then four fold would become six fold? That was why I question whether 'fou...
by now realm
Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Fourfold Sangha
Replies: 47
Views: 17173

Re: Fourfold Sangha

Hi again, Somehow, I can't seem to find the term 'four-fold sangha' in Pali anywhere in the suttas (pali canon). Appreciate if anyone could point it out to me, otherwise, I find that it is used loosely nowadays. There is in pali for 'eight fold noble path' which is 'ariya atthangika magga'. The word...
by now realm
Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Authenticity of the 8 garudhammas
Replies: 22
Views: 9435

Re: Authenticity of the 8 garudhammas

Hi again, Firstly, to avoid any misunderstanding, I wish to clarify here that all my comments on this site were my personal views based on my lay interpretation/understanding to the best of my lay knowledge of those topics according to the scriptures and texts of the Pali Canon, and no way was I in ...
by now realm
Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Authenticity of the 8 garudhammas
Replies: 22
Views: 9435

Re: Authenticity of the 8 garudhammas

Hi Anagarika, Your above views are noted. I'm not sure what early texts you were referring to, but I find that genders are distinctively mentioned and recognized in the Pali Canon texts or scriptures, for instance, bhikkhu/bhikkhuni, upasaka/upasika, savaka/savika, purisa/itthi, samanera/samaneri, d...
by now realm
Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Authenticity of the 8 garudhammas
Replies: 22
Views: 9435

Re: Authenticity of the 8 garudhammas

Greetings, Would like to deliberate on this sutta which I find it to be possible utterances of the Buddha. In AN8.51, Buddha firmly utters a total of 6 times (3 times to Gotami and 3 times to Ananda) the following: "Gotami/Ananda, it is not suitable, that women gain the leaving home and becomin...
by now realm
Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:01 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..."
Replies: 52
Views: 11735

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Hi again, Thought I share this. If we stop defining, everything is existentially perfect and beautiful the way it is, with nothing to be done or undone. We need now only to act graciously accordingly to the true dhamma which is the perfect consequences of our own individual creations or desires in h...
by now realm
Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Authenticity of the 8 garudhammas
Replies: 22
Views: 9435

Re: Authenticity of the 8 garudhammas

Greetings, My personal view on the garudhamma. For over 2,000 years, no one in the Theravada Buddhism had doubted the authenticity of the 8 garudhammas that were established by the Buddha. It was only recently that some people having this doubt which later lead to the claim by them that the 8 garudh...