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by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:58 pm
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: What are your ideas about Pa Auk method ?
Replies: 54
Views: 62130

Re: What are your ideas about Pa Auk method ?

It refers to the ultimate truths of impermanence and non-self. A mother or father is a conventional truth, but once you realise that everything is not-self, including your parents, you can say that there is no mother or father. It aims to emphasize that ultimately everything is emptiness and to les...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:54 pm
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: What are your ideas about Pa Auk method ?
Replies: 54
Views: 62130

Re: What are your ideas about Pa Auk method ?

Here he shows that teaching "there is no self" is an unbeneficial and confusing teaching that sides with the extreme of annihilationism: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN44_10.html No, it doesnt show that at all. This passage is very clear: "If I—being asked by Vacchagotta the...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:21 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 49
Views: 5139

Re: Identity View

From the Phena Sutta: "Form is like a glob of foam; feeling, a bubble; perception, a mirage; fabrications, a banana tree; consciousness, a magic trick — this has been taught by the Kinsman of the Sun. However you observe them, appropriately examine them, they're empty, void to whoever sees them...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kamma and intention
Replies: 30
Views: 591

Re: Kamma and intention

Suddh wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:08 pm And of how the crazy mahāyāna emptiness teachings evolved via the Big Lie that he did teach it.
You've read the Sunna Sutta, right?

Shunyata is the logical conclusion development of the anatta teaching.
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:35 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Your Dhamma Verses Here.
Replies: 15
Views: 665

Re: Your Dhamma Verses Here.

"Form is only emptiness, emptiness only form."
- The Heart Sutra
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:14 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 49
Views: 5139

Re: Identity View

The teaching is that there are mental objects and forms and that they are without a self / they are no self (anatta) and anicca and dukkha. The teaching is that the senses are all there is, and the senses are empty of self. The teaching is that a "being" is just a convention, and that the...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:50 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 49
Views: 5139

Re: Identity View

Hence, given the extensive teachings on this topic and the varied vocabularies deployed by the Buddha, I think that as a first approximation it is warranted, legitimate and useful to describe them as a teachings of no self. Buddhas useful approximation to his teachings is dukkha, it’s arising and o...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:00 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 49
Views: 5139

Re: Identity View

From SN 5.10: "Why now do you assume 'a being'? Mara, have you grasped a view? This is a heap of sheer constructions: Here no being is found. Just as, with an assemblage of parts, The word 'chariot' is used, So, when the aggregates are present, There's the convention 'a being.'" https://ww...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:39 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 49
Views: 5139

Re: Identity View

Suddh wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:30 pm
Spiny Norman wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:21 pm Read the Sabba Sutta, then the Sunna Sutta.
It's pretty clear.
Read them many times. They're clear, yes. Your point is not.
The senses are all there is (Sabba Sutta) and the senses are empty of self (Sunna Sutta).
Again, is this not clear to you?
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:34 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 49
Views: 5139

Re: Identity View

The Buddha is quite clear that if Vacchagotta hadn’t been liable to such confusion, he would have said there is no self. A true self is an impossible thing. Indeed, and it's very clear. It's puzzles me that some don't (won't?) understand this. Do explain it for our benefit if you can. Is the follow...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:21 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 49
Views: 5139

Re: Identity View

by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:09 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What is a dhammā exactly?
Replies: 41
Views: 1073

Re: What is a dhammā exactly?

SarathW wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:16 am Nibbana can not be experienced as it is unconditioned.
:D
Why bother then? :tongue:
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:07 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 49
Views: 5139

Re: Identity View

Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:03 pm The Buddha is quite clear that if Vacchagotta hadn’t been liable to such confusion, he would have said there is no self. A true self is an impossible thing.
Indeed, and it's very clear. It's puzzles me that some don't (won't?) understand this.
by Spiny Norman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:24 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What is a dhammā exactly?
Replies: 41
Views: 1073

Re: What is a dhammā exactly?

Anything we fabricate If they are qualities then that isn’t quite true. Also nibbana is said to be a dhamma. Conditioned qualities are fabricated. And nibbana is beyond fabrication by definition. We have to distinguish between conditioned and unconditioned dhammas. "Anything we experience"...
by Spiny Norman
Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:20 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What is a dhammā exactly?
Replies: 41
Views: 1073

Re: What is a dhammā exactly?

Anything we experience?