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by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 7546
Views: 1331145

Re: the great rebirth debate

Arahants don't disappear when they attain nibbāna though do they. They abide with an awareness that's entirely disjoined, released and freed from death. A death-free awareness. Really? Where do the suttas describe the Arahant having a "death-free awareness"? “Freed, dissociated, & rel...
by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:22 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 75
Views: 5540

Re: Identity View

“Freed, dissociated, & released from ten things, Bāhuna, the Tathāgata dwells with unrestricted awareness. Which ten? Freed, dissociated, & released from form, the Tathāgata dwells with unrestricted awareness. Freed, dissociated, & released from feeling… Freed, dissociated, & releas...
by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:19 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 75
Views: 5540

Re: Identity View

The senses are all there is? Is there such a thing as the deathless, do you think? (Also known as the permanent, the island, the incomparable, the unmade). Which sense is it, then? Read the Sabba Sutta. Nibbana is experienced in the mind, see the third frame of the Satipatthana Sutta. Mano is incon...
by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:15 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 75
Views: 5540

Re: Identity View

Yes and the arahant dwells with an awareness dissociated, disjoined and freed from all five aggregates. An awareness that's dissociated, freed and released from death, from the world, from the All. Really? Where does it say that in the suttas? “Freed, dissociated, & released from ten things, Bā...
by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:02 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 75
Views: 5540

Re: Identity View

Zom wrote: Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:42 am
They regard form as self, self as having form, form in self, or self in form.
(MN 44, Sujato)


1. Body is a self.
2. A self has (some material) form.
3. A self is something bigger than body and so it includes body.
3. A self is something smaller than body and hides inside a body.
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by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:21 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 75
Views: 5540

Re: Identity View

MikeRalphKing wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:31 am
At Savatthi. "Bhikkhus, there are these four portions. What
four? The portion of identity, the portion of the origin of
identity, the portion of the cessation of identity, the portion of the
way leading to the cessation of identity. (SN 22.103 Portions)
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by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:20 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 7546
Views: 1331145

Re: the great rebirth debate

Suddh wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:30 am
Arahants don't disappear when they attain nibbāna though do they. They abide with an awareness that's entirely disjoined, released and freed from death. A death-free awareness.
Really? Where do the suttas describe the Arahant having a "death-free awareness"?
by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:15 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 75
Views: 5540

Re: Identity View

He does, however, frequently speak about the self as though it does exist, without warning people that he's actually talking about something that doesn't. Perhaps you've forgotten about this verse from SN 5.10: "Why now do you assume 'a being'? Mara, have you grasped a view? This is a heap of ...
by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:22 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Popularity of Mahāyāna
Replies: 7
Views: 155

Re: Popularity of Mahāyāna

Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:53 pm In my experience Mahāyāna is more prevalent and popular in the west. Why do you think this is?
In my nearest city there is Triratna, two Tibetan groups, and a Zen group.
There was a Thai Forest group, but it shut down - they seem to have a monastic focus anyway.
by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:15 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 75
Views: 5540

Re: Identity View

Do explain it for our benefit if you can. Is the following passage not clear to you? "If I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is a self — were to answer that there is a self, would that be in keeping with the arising of knowledge that all phenomena are not-self?" "No,...
by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:12 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 75
Views: 5540

Re: Identity View

Read them many times. They're clear, yes. Your point is not. The senses are all there is (Sabba Sutta) and the senses are empty of self (Sunna Sutta). Again, is this not clear to you? The senses are all there is? Is there such a thing as the deathless, do you think? (Also known as the permanent, th...
by Spiny Norman
Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:11 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 75
Views: 5540

Re: Identity View

From the Phena Sutta: "Form is like a glob of foam; feeling, a bubble; perception, a mirage; fabrications, a banana tree; consciousness, a magic trick — this has been taught by the Kinsman of the Sun. However you observe them, appropriately examine them, they're empty, void to whoever sees the...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:10 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Ven. Dhammapāla on Nibbāna
Replies: 4
Views: 137

Re: Ven. Dhammapāla on Nibbāna

In this commentary on the Visuddhimagga, regarding the section which discusses nibbāna, Ven. Dhammapāla writes this yadi nibbānaṃ nāma sabhāvadhammo atthi sattasantānapariyāpanno ca, atha kasmā catumahāpathe sabhā viya sabbasādhāraṇā na labbhatīti āha "maggasamaṅginā pattabbato asādhāraṇa"...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kamma and intention
Replies: 31
Views: 754

Re: Kamma and intention

mjaviem wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:30 pm
pops wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:18 pm ...
It seems to me like one of those is around here … :candle:
Who? I would love to meet one or at least read their posts. It would be of great benefit, I think.
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by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:58 pm
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: What are your ideas about Pa Auk method ?
Replies: 54
Views: 62197

Re: What are your ideas about Pa Auk method ?

It refers to the ultimate truths of impermanence and non-self. A mother or father is a conventional truth, but once you realise that everything is not-self, including your parents, you can say that there is no mother or father. It aims to emphasize that ultimately everything is emptiness and to les...