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by clw_uk
Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:16 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Pali Canon - can it be attributed back to the Buddha?
Replies: 37
Views: 4720

Pali Canon - can it be attributed back to the Buddha?

Just wanted to get some opinions on how much if any of the pali canon can be attributed back to the buddha? Personally i believe it to be accurate in the core teachings just expanded on in form. [EDIT: Topic edited for extra clarity on the question and to distinguish it from other topics on the Pali...
by clw_uk
Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

I think rebirth is expounded quite well in the 4 Noble Truths. In the first truth the buddha says: Birth is suffering, aging is suffering, sickness is suffering, death is suffering, sorrow and lamentation, pain, grief and despair are suffering; association with the loathed is suffering, dissociation...
by clw_uk
Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:37 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Hey
Replies: 4
Views: 888

Hey

Hey all, names craig, been practising theravada buddhist for just over year now, really glad to have found a forum like this already finding it really helpful and informative :reading:

Metta
Craig :jumping:
by clw_uk
Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

In the First Noble Truth, Buddha taught from simple to more subtle. The subtle part was "in short, clinging to the five aggregates is dukkha". The dukkha is in the clinging. Regarding 'birth is dukkha', this simply means birth of a child is dukkha. For the mother it is dukkha and for the ...
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

If rebirth is removed from the teachings as literal then doesnt kamma become reduced to a Cārvāka understanding/doctrine as not all results from action will be able to be brought to fruitaion in one existence?
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

If so, that would only be a problem for one who is attached to such speculative/superstitious views.[/quote]


Could you elaborate
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:22 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
Replies: 52
Views: 8768

Emptiness - mahayana and theravada

Is there a doctrinal difference between mahayana and theravada on emptiness? Is emptiness tied in with buddha nature or not?
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

So he only taught rebirth/kamma in order to get his message through in some way to the people he was teaching. As such they are only concepts, only words to convey a deeper meaning?
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

This whole debate has made me think that my reading and understanding of the buddhas teachings may have been flawed, i may have been looking over things so i decided to return to the pali canon to see if it does indeed say anything about literal rebirth. Some quotes i found are majjhima nikya - maha...
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

Yes, I think I am beginning to get it. (Now there is a first - Bear understands something in less than a decade!) So this differs very much from the pagan concept of reincarnation in that there is no possibility of previous life memories. Hmm, interesting - and would explain why so many people who ...
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:23 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
Replies: 81
Views: 12060

Re: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?

Isnt annihilationism just a flase view that there is a self to be annihilated instead of seeing that there was no permanent self in the first place to be annihilated as all things are impermanent, dukkha and not-self and are dependent on conditions?
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:59 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

DO you mean i need to contemplate on the :idea: i just had?
by clw_uk
Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:17 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
Replies: 81
Views: 12060

Re: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?

not sure if this ties in but where does the three tires come from? is it pali canon or commentary
by clw_uk
Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:15 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 4203
Views: 249344

Re: the great vegetarian debate

by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

ok sure, My understanding of the Cārvāka teaching on kamma is this They taught that actions produce results but as they held the view that there was no other existence apart from the one that is experienced now not all results would bear to fruitation so they limited kamma to just this existence, wh...
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:59 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

If so, that would only be a problem for one who is attached to such speculative/superstitious views. Could you elaborate You might want to elaborate on your understanding of the Cārvāka view as you understand it. The short of it, though, is that the Buddha's transcendent teachings transcend specula...
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

But if all questions about kamma and rebirth are just speculations and inherently misunderstandings and/or useless then how does one come to know for sure if kamma or rebirth etc is true at all in any sense?

Thank your for your reply though you have given me much to contemplate
:twothumbsup:
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

So he only taught rebirth/kamma in order to get his message through in some way to the people he was teaching. As such they are only concepts, only words to convey a deeper meaning? Many could not see his own transcendent teachings at all. Too far outside of their little box of speculative views. T...
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6084
Views: 409657

Re: the great rebirth debate

Acctually ive just kinda realised, all my posts revolved around "me" just pandering to craving. I kinda now see it as there is no rebirth as there is no "I" to be reborn as at everymoment there is just rise and fall without and "I" passing through. It was like "I&q...
by clw_uk
Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:37 pm
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: Sorry...What's the difference? (Reincarnation Vs Rebirth)
Replies: 33
Views: 7798

Re: Sorry...What's the difference? (Reincarnation Vs Rebirth)

You are an annihilationist, Stuka. In your heart, you refute rebirth.[/quote]

There is no true rebirth as there is no "I" that will be reborn as all is anatta, there is birth everymoment but there is no "I" that is reborn.

:namaste:

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