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by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:43 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: What is an appropriate hermeneutic lens to read Buddhist scripture through? What is not?
Replies: 69
Views: 1622

Re: What is an appropriate hermeneutic lens to read Buddhist scripture through? What is not?

Greeting Coemgenu. There are 2 methods through witch one can understand the truth about what is written in the Pali Canon: 1) Rely on others, such as famous teachers. As for how to decide witch one is better, that depends on who is more famous. Downside : The teacher, been chosen randomly, can be a ...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:31 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

when in fact you are transmitting an interpretation, specifically your interpretation. Of course I am making a point for my interpretation, not for another person interpretation. Nothing new under the sun. And through what methods to people decide witch interpretation is correct, my friend ? :smile...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

But you have this thread and you have you opportunity to present it. What more do you need? If you are correct then people will take what you say and try and verify it. If people disagree or question you that does not mean they will never see that you are correct. It just means they do not see it r...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

Just out of curiousity, why is it so important for you to get your views across and for people to decide to agree with you? Perhaps if others knew why it would calm things down and keep this thread on track. Because this is not just any view, this is the biggest misunderstanding in western Mahasi/ ...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

retreat from the battlefield in shame. Joining the ranks of those who had fallen Where is this coming from? Have you really thought about what this says about your attitude when posting? chownah I am still here, answering any questions asked to me. As I have been doing for all this thread. If you h...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

You have demonstrated again and again that you're not reading my posts carefully. I have answered your questions. That is enough for me for this thread. I wish you well in your practice. I wish you well too and respect you for been one of the few here who DO study the canon. Unfortunately, just lik...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

Can you provide a reference for the sutta that lists just 2 factors of stream-entry? And can you provide evidence that shows the majority of the time when factors of stream entry are taught, it is just 2 factors? Indeed, I do not know witch of these 2 is more prelevalent across the canon. But I am ...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:36 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

That is part of the practice, but trying to understand is not enough by itself. Putting those teachings you're trying to understand into practice is the next step. To use a metaphor, understanding is like reading the map and figuring out the route to get to where you want to go. Putting the teachin...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:55 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

This is making the effort to put the teachings into practice in one's own lived experience. It is making an effort to understand the teachings. :smile: Ven Bodhi also notes the commentary (MA) states that the "penetrating it with wisdom" is stream-entry. And that is why I always considere...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:43 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

My understanding of the Commentaries (and a number of modern interpreters such as Bhikkhu Nanananda) is that nibbana is an attainment that lasts for a finite time and purifies the mind. Then what is the difference between a stream enterer and an arahant ? According to you, both of them have touched...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

@Mkoll The distinction between pondering and experiencing is also made clear in the Canki Sutta (MN 95). The Canki sutta is a conversation between Buddha and some Bhramins who wanted to refute him, explaining them how one should chose his religion and how to arouse zeal in that religion. I have alre...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

But you have quoted a sutta contradicting this yourself just a couple of posts ago. A stream enterer can touch/experience nibbana/the watter in that well ? That is like somebody quoting a sutta speaking about a red lotus in order to make a case for the lotus been blue. How can I even debate with som...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

I'd want to make another interesting point. The Pali Canon was preserved for 5 centuries through oral tradition already well established in India at the time. It may seem strange to some but an oral tradition is better at preserving a text than written one. Memorizing unending text was highly praise...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:20 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

I do not see anything wrong written in those links but neither do I see a detailed opinion. I asked because there are 2 interpretation one can possibly have: 1) Stream enterer experiencing/entering nibbana - while an arahant abides in it and experiences it all the time (some sort of meditation exper...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:08 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sotapanna and five precepts
Replies: 66
Views: 7146

Re: Sotapanna and five precepts

Very little importance is given to this stream entry as a measurement to how far along the path one has gone, we are told that our empathy compassion and ability to radiate loving kindness to others should be our measuring tape. That is very good. But is the tradition you are following put great em...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

The usual interpretation that the stream-enterer has had a "glimpse" of nibbana. :anjali: Mike It is not usual at all, at least not in the Pali Canon. You mean a stream enterer experiencing nibbana for one time, while an arahant is abiding in one, experiencing it all the time ? Don't shy ...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explaine

The sutta you (and me in previous page) had quoted explains the difference between a stream enterer and an arahant. Based on the sutta you had just quoted, what do you think is that difference ? Or is there any difference at all ? What exactly is your interpretation ? You have claimed to have anothe...
by Twilight
Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sotapanna and five precepts
Replies: 66
Views: 7146

Re: Sotapanna and five precepts

Those who don't believe these should just go and check the suttas. Otherwise they are forced to put their faith in other people because they are too lazy to read the suttas and do any thinking for themselves How is thinking going to help, if I was given the suttas and told to figure this out for my...

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