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by aflatun
Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:59 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

That Walser is an interesting book. That Nagarjuna was an early proponent of the Mahayana might be true as argued by Walser here, though I know that there are some scholars (T. Vetter, Buston) which do not accept the Ratnavali and other similar texts as being his - and if this is the case, then the...
by aflatun
Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

Coming at this from a slightly different angle, perhaps you all could clarify something Can one have Right View without Stream Entry? Isn't there a distinction in the texts between mundane and supra mundane Right View? The first question perhaps cuts to the heart of the debate here, so maybe this is...
by aflatun
Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:29 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Here is a take on emptiness from Ajahn Thanissaro that is perhaps less than charitable towards Nagarjuna, or his reading of Nagarjuna: What's striking about this standard for wisdom (the Buddha's, my edit) is how direct and down to earth it is. This might come as a surprise, for most of us don't thi...
by aflatun
Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:17 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Great! If I change my name from chownah to nagarjuna people will probably take my posts more seriously. nagarjuna Well, it is really the content of your posts that will determine that. :tongue: There was a graduate student at the U. of Wisconsin Buddhist Studies who proudly announced that he was th...
by aflatun
Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:31 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

:rofl:

chownah wrote:Great! If I change my name from chownah to nagarjuna people will probably take my posts more seriously.
nagarjuna
by aflatun
Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:07 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

In short, anything that is conditioned is considered not Nibbāna in the text, including "conceptions of Nibbāna", which are mental formations, not Nibbāna itself. I think that Nāgārjuna identifies hypostatization as the key feature of samsara, and ultimately a direct consequence of the ro...
by aflatun
Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:59 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

I think that Nāgārjuna identifies hypostatization as the key feature of samsara, and ultimately a direct consequence of the root of suffering: ignorance. I think that Nāgārjuna identifies hypostatization to be a constant condition of samsaric existence, and perhaps the most pernicious of fetters, b...
by aflatun
Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:06 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

In short, anything that is conditioned is considered not Nibbāna in the text, including "conceptions of Nibbāna", which are mental formations, not Nibbāna itself. So why did Nāgārjuna say samsara & Nirvana are the same. :popcorn: I'm not an expert, and I'm sure the prior explanation i...
by aflatun
Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:05 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Great posts, thank you for the lucid explanations. Despite all of that, isn't it true that Nagarjuna does not ascribe inherency or existence to Nirvana? Nāgārjuna does not ascribe inherency to hypostatizations of Nibbāna, which includes almost all views and inferences that one can try to make about...
by aflatun
Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:00 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Great posts, thank you for the lucid explanations. Despite all of that, isn't it true that Nagarjuna does not ascribe inherency or existence to Nirvana? Nāgārjuna does not ascribe inherency to hypostatizations of Nibbāna, which includes almost all views and inferences that one can try to make about...
by aflatun
Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:36 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

The way that we talk about existence in English in these conversations that deal with odd questions like "Is a rock arisen due to ignorance?" is in a de facto ontological sense, which, when paired with notions such as "Cars exist independent of a perciever", indicate that "...
by aflatun
Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:33 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

I'm personally a huge fan and find him quite consistent with the views of Ven. Ñāṇananda (also a huge fan :) ) and others, and the Pali Texts. As an aside I've been reading a great deal by Eviatar Shulman lately and he has an avid interest in Nagarjuna, especially as compared to Yogacara. I'll post...
by aflatun
Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:56 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Here's another: Needless to say, there are many passages in all of Nāgārjuna’s main philosophical texts that suggest that phenomena are similar to illusions, dreams, gandharva cities, and the like. Furthermore, in my personal brand of Māyopamavāda, one more important thing can be said about what it...
by aflatun
Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:07 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

(As far as Ñāṇavīra and one's "cup of tea" I am attracted to his writings, partly because I have a philosophy background/interest, and feel that he has something very deep to convey, however I find his writing style often bordering on incomprehensible and needlessly vague, which often lea...
by aflatun
Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:56 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Here's another: Needless to say, there are many passages in all of Nāgārjuna’s main philosophical texts that suggest that phenomena are similar to illusions, dreams, gandharva cities, and the like. Furthermore, in my personal brand of Māyopamavāda, one more important thing can be said about what it ...
by aflatun
Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:50 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Obviously, any element or atom of earth element is impermanent, since it will be subject to erosion. But how far can an atom of earth element be broken down until it ceases without remainder? What does this question mean? What do you mean by breaking an atom of earth down until it ceases without re...
by aflatun
Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Non-conceptual thoughts while meditating ... ?
Replies: 7
Views: 156

Re: Non-conceptual thoughts while meditating ... ?

A few years ago, I started to notice what might be called non-conceptual thoughts arise in my mind. Could be I just didn't see them earlier, or it could be they're new for me. It goes something like this: I become aware (during meditation) that a coherent thought has just occurred (or is occurring)...
by aflatun
Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:00 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 230
Views: 1927

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

I'm personally a huge fan and find him quite consistent with the views of Ven. Ñāṇananda (also a huge fan :) ) and others, and the Pali Texts. As an aside I've been reading a great deal by Eviatar Shulman lately and he has an avid interest in Nagarjuna, especially as compared to Yogacara. I'll post ...
by aflatun
Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:18 pm
Forum: Non-English Resources
Topic: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero
Replies: 31
Views: 2331

Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

I have been asked by Ven. Sudithadeera (who is a disciple of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero) to join this discussion group. I have a website: https://puredhamma.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; that is bu...
by aflatun
Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:35 am
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: abhidhammic perspective on delusion
Replies: 9
Views: 167

Re: abhidhammic perspective on delusion

What is the Abhidhammic perspective on the origination of ignorance and/or delusion in light of the absence or inviability of a self to be deluded? I'm not able to answer your question, but I would like to understand it better :) Do you mean something like, how does ignorance/delusion work without ...

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