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by R1111
Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:36 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sotapanna and five precepts
Replies: 66
Views: 7146

Re: Sotapanna and five precepts

I want to point out couple more things, holding a fixed view in regards to this for someone non Ariya is a bad ide. A view either way is best not held, the teachings on how to become Ariya are legit and precepts are essential, thus, this is how we should train. For a true Sotapanna the commonly held...
by R1111
Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sotapanna and five precepts
Replies: 66
Views: 7146

Re: Sotapanna and five precepts

This will boil down to interpretation of words open to interpretation. I dont think this ambiguity can be settled nowdays, there are people who will trust authority and those who wont allow for reasonable doubt. With cruicial deciding factor being subjective experiences and confirmation bias, i thin...
by R1111
Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:26 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

What makes you speculate they did it through meditation practice ? Did you ever hear "the person started meditating and then understood the discourse" or "he went into the forest, started meditating and he got it". We only hear contemplation, contemplation, contemplation . When ...
by R1111
Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

Afaik Ven. Sariputta became a Stream Enterer first and took long time to attain Arahantship. To give people cliffs and a flavour of OP's views. Arising of the Dhamma Eye is not that big of a deal, it is just understanding the Discourses. Culmination of the Eight Fold Noble Path is not needed for Str...
by R1111
Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:07 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

[ how about the question asked in purple ? Anybody who tried doing that in this topic ended up embarrassing himself. Want to try ? This is kind of rude imo. Also, we (and me) should be careful when pointing out disparagement of the Dhamma I agree. But it has been proclaimed what is wholesome and wh...
by R1111
Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

not only will I go to hell, but nobody on this forum will ever like me again, seen what strong reactions criticism of Buddhaghosa produces. Tbh i would be cosidering this very seriously.I belive any Ariya would aswell 1. Splitting Sangha guarantees Apaya rebirth 2. Thinking badly of people, let alo...
by R1111
Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

I suspect that OP thinks that he is a Sotapanna and is stubbornly clinging to his Views, having read that a Sotapanna has no doubt, and this is what is hindering him in letting go of his views. IMO his views, i get how he might get them, it is quite ambiguous if one doesnt read the Commentaries to t...
by R1111
Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

Your quote is describing arahanthip. According to you! Obviously as i pointed out we disagree on the definition of key concepts. I have provided my definition based on Sutta, Commentary, Dhammapada Commentary and the Abhidhamma. You have a diffrent understanding of 8 Fold Noble Path that seems cont...
by R1111
Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

You have to Prove Yourself really, at this point you have not backed up your claims. And what exactly is the purpose of this thread if you are not going to back up your claims. I have explained it several times already... Right view is two fold, worldlings can have Right View, worldling by following...
by R1111
Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

When in a debate, it is always good to be on the attack not on the defense. So just to make sure my debate partners know their place, I will re-post the unanswerable red and the purple questions: [b][size=150][color=#8000BF]Show me one single sutta with something like: "he went into seclusion/...
by R1111
Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

See you have no arguement, its you who challenged the entire Mahasi Tradition, now having been put into corner you try to tell me that its my turn to defend myself. I have been consistent in my points all the way, you have not, you have ignored plenty of evidence and have not backed up any of your o...
by R1111
Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:27 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

Right view, as explained in the commentary to the Sammaditthi Sutta, has a variety of aspects, but it might best be considered as twofold: conceptual right view, which is the intellectual grasp of the principles enunciated in the Buddha's teaching, and experiential right view, which is the wisdom t...
by R1111
Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

OP look here i will show that Right View does not mean attainment of Sotapanna. The Sammaditthi Sutta Commentary Right view, as explained in the commentary to the Sammaditthi Sutta, has a variety of aspects, but it might best be considered as twofold: conceptual right view, which is the intellectual...
by R1111
Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:28 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi vs sutta (explained)

Bakmoon wrote:A stream enterer must have some development of the path as a whole, not just right view.


OP holds the view that Stream Entry is Right View (orthodox understanding), therefor Stream Entry = the (quote :first step") of A 8 Fold Noble Path leading to Arahantship.
by R1111
Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi vs sutta (explained)

Ok so this is the end of the discussion as OP doesnt have a good explaination for what Dhamma Eye is or how Stream Entry occurs. According to him It just happens u know, u listen or contemplate and then u get it, Stream Entry is like understanding a book you know. Nothing special really happens. Rea...
by R1111
Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi vs sutta (explained)

I have already explained that "the arising of dhamma eye" means stream entry. Stream entry does mean understanding of nibbana but this is because of understanding the aggregates, sense bases, elements, impermanence, etc. You do realize that this doesnt mean anything and if we had to work ...
by R1111
Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:55 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

I also have to suspect you might think you are Stream Winner, in which case you are teaching something like Stream Entry being first step of the 8 Fold Noble Path, which is completely diffrent interpretation than all Theravada teachers that i know of teach. Which means you are essentially saying tha...
by R1111
Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 176
Views: 1416

Re: Mahashi vs sutta (explained)

This points also to what u disregarded earlier about Ultimate and Conventional Realities, Abhidhamma explains the Ultimate Reality. Ultimate reality explains in detail the various attainments, you are argueing against Canon here imo because you dont know and dont belive it.

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